This is where we’re at - only people who video their hunts are to be taken seriously?
This makes me a total poser!This is where we’re at - only people who video their hunts are to be taken seriously?
There's a difference between a seasoned proficient shooter with lots of time in the field to pass bad shots, and a one week a year hunter who may only get one or two opportunities.
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That isn't anywhere near what was said. Referring to actual authority figures on the subject is different than projecting as one.
Using what metric to measure damage? And apples to oranges anyway using a different bullet. My question is what makes 77 such a magic number that is more effective than other heavy-for-caliber TMK's in heavier weights at the same velocity?
2015 called and wants it 4k back. It's 5k now homie
If the first one didn’t do the job it wasn’t a good shot. The same goes for the subsequent shots. No magic in this. You hit the vitals, the job is done, and the only question is time to expiration. Bullet choice matters a great deal there.Sure , it may kill one, but how badly will you hurt waiting for the bear to realize it’s dead. The latest stuck in the rut has some pretty exciting footage. Three good shots from a 338 rum, Then five more from a 454.
See above. Hunting is a tense, adrenaline pumping business. Aim small, miss small still applies though. A wide wound channel might be 2-3” and a narrow wound perhaps 1-1.5” - a big difference, certainly, but not enough to save a bad shot.I saw that video. What are your thoughts on the 3 shots from the .338 RUM? I wonder if the shots were too far forward and simply missed the heart/lungs completely.
Feel free to check out www.ballisticstudies.com. It’s already referenced in this thread. Mr. Foster has plenty of time shooting fully fragmentary bullets (aka: the TMK, old A-Max, now ELD-M) from a variety of calibers and cartridges. If I can be so bold as to recommend a different source than this thread.Lots of pictures, mostly deer and smaller, no videos. About what you'd expect from 6mm's except for the fella from South Africa.
Like I was saying earlier, none of that looks excessive and 6mm's definitely didn't cause any bruised shoulders or twitches regardless of rifle weight.
Please update when you get a 168TMK in an elk, that's right up my alley!
Since I can't replenish the 77 tmks at the moment, I'm going to see if I these 175s will impress out of 308, 06, and WM.
1) Those hunters were unthinking and looking for a video in their pursuit, what happened with that cartridge has little to do with a cartridge and everything to do with them choosing to let off a shot on that bear. They owned it, a credit to them on that. Yet, stars in their eyes clouded their judgment even with the "experience" they represent. The fact it didn't cross their mind while in the field says a lot about what many folks do but will not own up to with any rifle.Really? Can you point out the “good points” that are rooted in fact and not an abbreviated attempt at discrediting something using fallacy and no first hand experience?
Good points and observations he presents.Feel free to check out www.ballisticstudies.com. It’s already referenced in this thread. Mr. Foster has plenty of time shooting fully fragmentary bullets (aka: the TMK, old A-Max, now ELD-M) from a variety of calibers and cartridges. If I can be so bold as to recommend a different source than this thread.
This point has been answered ad nauseam in this thread alone (and makes your other points moot in my view). People who have not read the thread wish to keep bringing it up to cast doubt on the 77gr TMK combo without informing themselves on the subject.4) When following the advice of a smaller caliber frangible bullet, when faced with a shot at a less than ideal angle, will they pass on a shot? Will the .223 with the 77 TMK unequivocally reach the vitals from the same angles as a 6.5/.270/7mm/.308 caliber/.358 caliber on the same apples to apples shot presentation?
Those are good points he made. Whether you agree or disagree, they show a side of the discussion and he backed them.
175's whats the min. velocity for these to fragment/work in your experience? Same as the 77? I have a bunch of loads for a couple of rifles ready to shoot when the weather/life allows.They very much do.
Good post.This point has been answered ad nauseam in this thread alone (and makes your other points moot in my view). People who have not read the thread wish to keep bringing it up to cast doubt on the 77gr TMK combo without informing themselves on the subject.
To clarify, there is no less than ideal angle that the 77gr TMK will not reach the vitals where a larger caliber will.
Good post.
I've read more than a fair share of the 3000+ posts. This thread is a cycle. As you say, these points have been discussed ad nauseum. Nothing new is going to come that hasn't come already.
I'd suggest locking the thread and making it a sticky.
There is no new factual information to be shared because the rest of the thread already contains everything there is to know, as is regularly shared ad nauseum.