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Meant to say TMK like the rest of my posts. I'll change itwrong bullet. 77 TMK is the star for tissue damage.
Meant to say TMK like the rest of my posts. I'll change itwrong bullet. 77 TMK is the star for tissue damage.
I am fairly new to using the 223/77TMK combination myself but have hunted with people who have been using it for years with great success. I have no dog in this fight so am hoping I can offer an outsider’s perspective to answer your question…Using what metric to measure damage? And apples to oranges anyway using a different bullet. My question is what makes 77 such a magic number that is more effective than other heavy-for-caliber TMK's in heavier weights at the same velocity?
Using what metric to measure damage? And apples to oranges anyway using a different bullet. My question is what makes 77 such a magic number that is more effective than other heavy-for-caliber TMK's in heavier weights at the same velocity?
Any more details on this scenario?I have seen photos of deer nearly split in half despite perfect shot placement due to using a similar style bullet out of a .30 caliber. If I recall correctly the only meat that could be salvaged from that deer was the hindquarters, the rear 1/3 of the backstraps and some neck meat.
Nope, you can use a 30 round magazine hunting in Alaska.Are there magazine limits for hunting in alaska? Because I'd sure feel more comfortable facing down a bear with my AR and 30 rounds of tmks than I would with a stiff recoiling bolt gun.
I've looked through the thread, glassed through much of the silliness, and still have yet to see many pictures that accurately show internal damage that can be inspected. Most are just a bloody hole or skin-off bloodshot meat which isn't much to go off of. Excuse me if I happened to miss it, but has anyone uploaded a video of the 77 on bull elk? That would help change some skeptical minds.Wound channels are what have been discussed at length here.
It seems it's not soo much the 77 gr is magic, just the construction of the TMK in general, and that it becomes a tremendous amount of overkill in larger calibers like 7 and 30. ELD-M in a lot of gr/cal is not far behind.
If ultimately your goal is penetration, then you might as well use a solid copper. I think the goal should be to balance penetration and wound channel, unless you want to or need to shoot an animal long ways for some reason, the 77 tmk at 2000+ impact for the most part covers what you need for penetration and wound channel.
Depending on your definition of "small stuff", check out the .243/6mm success thread. If I recall, there are some videos on there of kill shots, and there are definitely a ton of pictures.I've looked through the thread, glassed through much of the silliness, and still have yet to see many pictures that accurately show internal damage that can be inspected. Most are just a bloody hole or skin-off bloodshot meat which isn't much to go off of. Excuse me if I happened to miss it, but has anyone uploaded a video of the 77 on bull elk? That would help change some skeptical minds.
I'm a medium-caliber guy and really don't feel the need to experiment with the small stuff or the monsters, but if there are videos of these working great on bull elk and up I'd love to take the time to watch it.
Charlie Wright from "Yukon Men" always carried what looked like a surplus M-16A1 for moose near Tanana.The natives here in Alaska shoot and kill just about everything in this state with the cheapest 223 bullet they can find. That being said they kill just as many as they wound
Lots of pictures, mostly deer and smaller, no videos. About what you'd expect from 6mm's except for the fella from South Africa.Depending on your definition of "small stuff", check out the .243/6mm success thread. If I recall, there are some videos on there of kill shots, and there are definitely a ton of pictures.
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/6mm-243-hunting-success-on-big-game.284525/
Heck yea! I skinned a moose this fall that had 3 223 rounds in it.Charlie Wright from "Yukon Men" always carried what looked like a surplus M-16A1 for moose near Tanana.
Soooooo...
3 large, poorly placed, rifle rounds didn't kill/slow down the bear; but a single, well placed pistol shot appears to have killed the bear?
Is that a good summary?
Did they mushroom or break up at all? Or was it some jack wagon poking holes with FMJ's?Heck yea! I skinned a moose this fall that had 3 223 rounds in it.
They was mushroomedDid they mushroom or break up at all? Or was it some jack wagon poking holes with FMJ's?
Did they mushroom or break up at all? Or was it some jack wagon poking holes with FMJ's?
Do you know what bullets were used in the 338 RUM?The latest stuck in the rut has some pretty exciting footage. Three good shots from a 338 rum, Then five more from a 454.
225 gr. Accubonds were used in the rifle.Do you know what bullets were used in the 338 RUM?
This sounds to me like poor bullet performance. My first guess would be a heavier mono of some flavor, most likely a Barnes.