.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Bkballer777]

Did you enjoy the show up to this point? Pretty good, but long read, eh?

Did you enjoy the show up to this point? Pretty good, but long read, eh?

Yeah so far there hasn't been ask much knocking down as I normally see with post like these. Usually you get keyboard warriors projecting their opinions.

 

[mt100gr.]

Yeah so far there hasn't been ask much knocking down as I normally see with post like these. Usually you get keyboard warriors projecting their opinions.

The volume of evidence and facts in this thread is pretty hard to argue.

 

[Bkballer777]

The volume of evidence and facts in this thread is pretty hard to argue.

Yes, there is a lot of facts but at a certain point it becomes people slinging stones. Me personally I wouldn't use .223 to kill anything bigger than a yotee. But that my opinion. If it keeps working for him then why not, until he has other outcomes, that my push him to think otherwise.

 

[Castle Rock]

Who is him?

 

[Darryle]

Who is him?

I think he's painting the entire thread with one pronoun.

It's obvious he skimmed the thread, but didn't read it thoroughly.

Anytime you have a body of evidence across multiple platforms, multiple shooters, multiple scenarios and using multiple projectiles of the same diameter and of varying construction taking game of the variety posted within, it's hard to argue with the facts.

I will be the first to admit, I started this thread with a healthy dose of skepticism, but slowly began to morph from skeptic to believer, not so much because of the bullet itself, it was the number of and skill level of the various shooters, their variety of platforms, their different bullet choices and the varying scenarios.

This thread has the pitfall of TLDR, so they skim and amongst the naysayers, they miss some relevant posts.

It took me 11 days to thoroughly read this thread, decipher the pertinent information and come to my own conclusion. Most people cannot stay focused 11 minutes much less 11 days.

 

[cod0396]

Generally permanent cavity is about 1.5-2 inches wide.





The worst rifle bullets are far more destructive of tissue than the best pistol service caliber bullets. Rifles are rifles and they do rifle things in tissue.

Wow, that's way smaller than I was expecting (never used TSX before). Isn't that pretty much what the TMK does at velocities a bit under 2000 fps? I know consistent fragmentation is a huge force multiplier for rifle bullets, but it's still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that one type of .223 HP bullet can make a permanent wound cavity that is literally twice the diameter as another .223 HP bullet at similar velocities.

Follow up question for Form: generally speaking, what would you estimate the permanent wound channel size to be for bonded soft points such as gold dots and fusion at higher impact velocities? I'm assuming roughly in between that of the TMK and TSX, but I don't have much experience with bonded bullets.

 

[robtattoo]

I think he's painting the entire thread with one pronoun.

Did he just assume my gender!

 

[gman82001]

I will just sit here and enjoy the show to come

3 1/2 year old thread I think you’re late with the popcorn. I’d say you didn’t read the entire thing and have your mind made up based on old stuff you’ve heard.

 

[Formidilosus]

Wow, that's way smaller than I was expecting (never used TSX before). Isn't that pretty much what the TMK does at velocities a bit under 2000 fps?

Correct. Monos create relatively narrow wounds. At any impact speed above 1,800’ish, the 77gr TMK will create wounds that are larger than any .224 cal mono at any realistic speed.

I know consistent fragmentation is a huge force multiplier for rifle bullets, but it's still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that one type of .223 HP bullet can make a permanent wound cavity that is literally twice the diameter as another .223 HP bullet at similar velocities.

All the lead core makeup, jacket thickness and design. It’s quite easy to make a 60gr .224 lead core hollow point bullet that does not deform at all at 2,800fps, and another lead core 60gr bullet that won’t exit a groundhog.

Follow up question for Form: generally speaking, what would you estimate the permanent wound channel size to be for bonded soft points such as gold dots and fusion at higher impact velocities? I'm assuming roughly in between that of the TMK and TSX, but I don't have much experience with bonded bullets.

Gold Dots/Fusions create very good wounds at high speeds. Similar, but not quite as devastating as the TMK.

 

[Bkballer777]

3 1/2 year old thread I think you’re late with the popcorn. I’d say you didn’t read the entire thing and have your mind made up based on old stuff you’ve heard.

Yep. Because I said my stance on all this and you know where I stand lol.

 

[awildswanger]

The 77TMK is a 4mph bullet out of my Tikka at my DA and it holds true well beyond 400 yds.

The issue isn’t the bullet, but rather the shooter’s/spotter’s ability to correctly ‘call wind’ in field conditions, especially rough topography.

Precisely why this combination works, as it affords the ability to shoot a lot and actually LEARN why shots hit where they do.

The one downfall of such a light projectile is that the splash can be difficult to spot at distance in various mediums.

I’m working my way into the Rokslide special here, but just out of curiosity do y’all shoot 77tmk every time y’all are out or do you guys burn through standard 55gr stuff and then re-zero prior to the start of hunting season?

 

[BjornF16]

I’m working my way into the Rokslide special here, but just out of curiosity do y’all shoot 77tmk every time y’all are out or do you guys burn through standard 55gr stuff and then re-zero prior to the start of hunting season?

I’ve got a bunch of Black Hills 77gr in TMK and SMK. For practice, I’ll shoot the SMK mostly but maintain the zero for TMK. My rifle has about 0.5 MOA difference between the two.

 

[Pharmseller]

Anyone have a pic of a 77 TMK cross sectioned vs a 75 ELDM?




P

 

[awildswanger]

I’ve got a bunch of Black Hills 77gr in TMK and SMK. For practice, I’ll shoot the SMK mostly but maintain the zero for TMK. My rifle has about 0.5 MOA difference between the two.

Thank you!

 

[Billy Goat]

Yep. Because I said my stance on all this and you know where I stand lol.

Get into the classifieds yet?

 

[Bkballer777]

Get into the classifieds yet?

Yep and I already bought a rangefinder hahaha.

 

[eoperator]

77tmk @ powder valley

sorry 77smk not tmk

 

[Billy Goat]

77tmk @ powder valley

Make sure they aren't SMK. I had found them in a search, got lost for a second before I realized what I was looking at.

 

[Lawnboi]

Someone try n540 as an alternate powder

 

[eoperator]

Make sure they aren't SMK. I had found them in a search, got lost for a second before I realized what I was looking at.

You were right, I must have misread or some kind of tom foolery happening there.