.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[260madman]

Hey thanks for the reply!

I can tell you from my standpoint, I was squarely where you are. I’ve been on rokslide awhile now and have developed some friends, western based guys. When I look at the level of man years of the identifiable advocates on this thread we’re talking a very lot of man-years of western hunting experience. Also have other friends here who took this plunge, and aren’t planning to use their magnums any time soon - me included. At least at the range limits noted here.

With utmost respect to your years of western hunting experience it’s much less than the combined years of the original advocates and many many others who embarked on this information and have made kills.

If you personally haven’t used a tmk in this caliber or witnessed a kill personally how can you summarily dismiss based on your years of western hunting minus this data point?

That’s a whole lot of western. Is Clint Eastwood and Robert Duvall going to make a movie based on this?

 

[OdinIII]

That’s a whole lot of western.

I thought the same thing.

Out East where I hunt it is preferable to have two holes for blood trailing through thick brush. Still, I’ll switch to 77 gr TMK’s to use in an AR if they are ever easily available.

 

[idahodave]

Not great photos, but you get the idea. 88 grain ELD-Ms from my 22-250. First photo shows the exit side. Shot was 270ish.

Dave

 

[Margoot]

223 is plenty for deer, you just have to use the right ammo and put the bullet in the right spot.

Do you know the twist rate of your rifle's barrel? I'm kind of surprised you are getting MOA accuracy with that heavy of a bullet if you have a slow twist that is common in a lot of 223 barrels.

 

[kkp005]

223 is plenty for deer, you just have to use the right ammo and put the bullet in the right spot.

Do you know the twist rate of your rifle's barrel? I'm kind of surprised you are getting MOA accuracy with that heavy of a bullet if you have a slow twist that is common in a lot of 223 barrels.

Most folks on here are shooting 1-8 for the 77tmk’s

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

223 is plenty for deer, you just have to use the right ammo and put the bullet in the right spot.

What chambering can you use that you don't have to hit them in the right spot?

 

[SquatchHunter]

What chambering can you use that you don't have to hit them in the right spot?

50BMG. Don’t even have to hit them. Shockwave from a near miss will stop the heart.

 

[Billy Goat]

50BMG. Don’t even have to hit them. Shockwave from a near miss will stop the heart.

I listened to a salesman say this one time in a shop.


The 50 bmg is so fast, the Vortex it creates will lay a throat open as it passes by. Doesn't even need to hit the intended target.....


Honestly the woman seemed horrified.

 

[260madman]

50BMG. Don’t even have to hit them. Shockwave from a near miss will stop the heart.

Keith Warren likes this post

 

[khuber84]

Not great photos, but you get the idea. 88 grain ELD-Ms from my 22-250. First photo shows the exit side. Shot was 270ish.

What twist for the 88s from a 22-250?

The 50 bmg is so fast, the Vortex it creates will lay a throat open as it passes by. Doesn't even need to hit the intended target.....

There's a YouTube video where guy misses white tail doe with a 50, it still dies.

 

[Billy Goat]

What twist for the 88s from a 22-250?



There's a YouTube video where guy misses white tail doe with a 50, it still dies.

I don't doubt it, but I wouldn't count on it.







The irony of a bullet that's too small to kill anything, and one that's so big it can miss. For many its easier to believe one over the other.

 

[Formidilosus]

There's a YouTube video where guy misses white tail doe with a 50, it still dies.

No.

 

[khuber84]

No.

Yes

 

[jfs82]

What twist for the 88s from a 22-250?



There's a YouTube video where guy misses white tail doe with a 50, it still dies.

I have 88 eldm with 7 twist for my 22 creed at about 3200 fps with a 21 inch barrel. There's been plenty of people posting on other forums they had no issues with 8 twists as well.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yes

I’m familiar with the video. The round went though the eye sockets.

 

[idahodave]

What twist for the 88s from a 22-250?



There's a YouTube video where guy misses white tail doe with a 50, it still dies.

1:7 twist

Dave

 

[khuber84]

I’m familiar with the video. The round went though the eye sockets.

Okay, author is a BIT misleading there!

 

[Formidilosus]

Okay, author is a BIT misleading there!

Keith Warren isn’t exactly a renowned source of factual information.

 

[Dinosdeuce]

TBAC Gen 2 Ultra 5. This would be my choice. In fact, I’ve got one in jail.

This what I run on my bolt gun. Run the ultra 7 on my AR’s. Both are 30 cal

 

[Fatcamp]

Running 75eldm from an 18" 22cm. Loads sub moa at 400y. Running 3100fps. Shot two mulies this morning. First was medium body buck at 275(2600fps impact), in the crease, did a 50y death sprint and piled up, massive lung trauma, deer bleed out profusely from the mouth before I got to him, no blood as I cut neck, it was all in the boiler room and on ground. Nickel entrance through a rib, exit was quarter size throug a rib. Next was another medium body buck, 475y(2250fps impact), strong crosswind, but my nephew who's never killed a deer, put the bullet at the neck shoulder junction, pencil entrance, quarter exit. That deer was lights out. I was impressed. I have quite a lot of the 77s as well, and may try some. This load is no pressure, and is only 40gr H4350 I feel another 150fps is on the table. I only have 65 rounds down the pipe.

I did not realize I could load these with 4350.

ETA: Now I see you are loading 22CM, not .223. So sad.