.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Castle Rock]

@Castle Rock
I assume you threaded the pin? Say yes.

Or is that a hole that's not tapped?

3 mm is the exact size of the unthreaded hole
You can see I put a bit of grease in the hole so it wouldn’t rust in and get stuck

 

[Castle Rock]

I have read through about 50 of the 108 pages of this thread and haven't yet seen it, so I'll ask this in hopes that it's not sitting on page 51. Is there a maximum impact velocity of the 77gr TMK that one needs to keep in mind? For some reason I've been eyeballing a Tikka 1:8 twist 22-250, but the velocities in that cartridge can be rather insane. In theory, a person can run those up over 3100 fps in that round, so I'm curious if a 3000fps impact on a deer would be less than ideal.

I use it in my 22/250 tikka at 3150 with excellent results

 

[marksman1941]

I use it in my 22/250 tikka at 3150 with excellent results

Bullets still properly grenading and penetrating even up close? That's awesome to hear

 

[Formidilosus]

I have read through about 50 of the 108 pages of this thread and haven't yet seen it, so I'll ask this in hopes that it's not sitting on page 51. Is there a maximum impact velocity of the 77gr TMK that one needs to keep in mind? For some reason I've been eyeballing a Tikka 1:8 twist 22-250, but the velocities in that cartridge can be rather insane. In theory, a person can run those up over 3100 fps in that round, so I'm curious if a 3000fps impact on a deer would be less than ideal.

Not really. I mean yes, penetration will be reduced with 3,400fps MV and a 10 yard impact…. But functionally, no.

 

[marksman1941]

Not really. I mean yes, penetration will be reduced with 3,400fps MV and a 10 yard impact…. But functionally, no.

Thank you. I've seen 165gr ballistic tips work great under 2500 fps, but turn into an absolute non-penetrating grenade at 2800fps, and wanted to make sure that wasn't the case were I to go that route. I figured the 22-250 would give me a good range of options, from quite reduced training loads for new shooters, up to an absolutely smoking but comfortable deer rifle.

 

[PNWGATOR]

TO84s work just fine with the KRG Bravo.

Lotta fellas seemingly overthinking things….

Voluntary simplicity. Don’t over complicate it.

FWIW I’d happily volunteer for a Rokslide sponsored 223 AK coastal brown bear hunt (with a +1 wingman/second tag .223 stunt shooter of choice).

Let’s film it.

Grizzly Skins of AK?

I’m in.

 

[Formidilosus]

TO84s work just fine with the KRG Bravo.

Lotta fellas seemingly overthinking things….

Voluntary simplicity. Don’t over complicate it.

FWIW I’d happily volunteer for a Rokslide sponsored 223 AK coastal brown bear hunt (with a +1 wingman/second tag .223 stunt shooter of choice).

Let’s film it.

Grizzly Skins of AK?

I’m in.

Most uneventful bear kill in history.

 

[PNWGATOR]

You’ll be there…just sayin’!

 

[mt100gr.]

You’ll be there…just sayin’!

I'm thinking a "TMK does AK" series....lots of big critters up there!!

 

[chamois]

I have to thank Formid from whom I have learned a lot. His generosity sharing his experience was the leitmotif that conducted my two last gun projects. First was a 1:8" 22-250 with which I exclusively shoot 77gr TMKs. I decided to move up the the 22-250 speeds a little weary that the 223´s might not be enough.
To make it short I found it so devastating that I ended up loading them down to 3,125fps and ordered a second barrel (I hunt exclusively with Blaser K95 single shots which admit swapping barrels) in 5,6x50R.
The first kills with the 5,6 have been 13 roe deer and the chamois you can see in this photo. It was shot at 330 meters by my good friend Roberto in the French Alps shooting my gun.
So far I am shooting 75gr ELDMs at 2,950 fps, of which I managed to get hold of 5 boxes, in order to save my 77gr TMKs for the 22-250 and the performance of this combination has been outstanding, displacing the 22-250 on animals the size of our roebucks (60 lbs) and up to the size of chamois (80 lbs).
So, thank you, Formid. Also because you inspired my curiosity and gave me two little toys which I enjoyed so much putting together and now shooting and hunting with!

 

[Antares]

I have to thank Formid from whom I have learned a lot. His generosity sharing his experience was the leitmotif that conducted my two last gun projects. First was a 1:8" 22-250 with which I exclusively shoot 77gr TMKs. I decided to move up the the 22-250 speeds a little weary that the 223´s might not be enough.
To make it short I found it so devastating that I ended up loading them down to 3,125fps and ordered a second barrel (I hunt exclusively with Blaser K95 single shots which admit swapping barrels) in 5,6x50R.
The first kills with the 5,6 have been 13 roe deer and the chamois you can see in this photo. It was shot at 330 meters by my good friend Roberto in the French Alps shooting my gun.
So far I am shooting 75gr ELDMs at 2,950 fps, of which I managed to get hold of 5 boxes, in order to save my 77gr TMKs for the 22-250 and the performance of this combination has been outstanding, displacing the 22-250 on animals the size of our roebucks (60 lbs) and up to the size of chamois (80 lbs).
So, thank you, Formid. Also because you inspired my curiosity and gave me two little toys which I enjoyed so much putting together and now shooting and hunting with!
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I don’t know much about chamois, but that looks TALL! Congrats.

 

[Dobermann]

TO84s work just fine with the KRG Bravo.

Glad they work for you - they didn't for me (but were perfect on the standard Tikka stock).

As others have said, perhaps this is about facial structure.

I also wonder in part, if it's about differences in how high some of us hold our heads when seeking NPA - I've adopted a slightly higher line as I've come more medial with the buttstock.

In any case, the difference in the T084s on the two stocks was so noticeable, I finally put them one on top of the other, so I could work out what was happening ... on my set-ups, at least, when aligning the barrels/scope rail, the Bravo cheekpiece was far higher than the factory T3X stock.

Doing the same process with the T084s on the factory stock, and the Raptor High mount on the Bravo showed they were a similar height once comb/cheekpiece height was taken into account.

Sorry to not have photos to show this, but hope this explanation conveys my experience.

As with all things, perhaps it's worth everyone trying this out for themselves and going with what works best for them.

 

[Formidilosus]

I have to thank Formid from whom I have learned a lot. His generosity sharing his experience was the leitmotif that conducted my two last gun projects. First was a 1:8" 22-250 with which I exclusively shoot 77gr TMKs. I decided to move up the the 22-250 speeds a little weary that the 223´s might not be enough.
To make it short I found it so devastating that I ended up loading them down to 3,125fps and ordered a second barrel (I hunt exclusively with Blaser K95 single shots which admit swapping barrels) in 5,6x50R.
The first kills with the 5,6 have been 13 roe deer and the chamois you can see in this photo. It was shot at 330 meters by my good friend Roberto in the French Alps shooting my gun.
So far I am shooting 75gr ELDMs at 2,950 fps, of which I managed to get hold of 5 boxes, in order to save my 77gr TMKs for the 22-250 and the performance of this combination has been outstanding, displacing the 22-250 on animals the size of our roebucks (60 lbs) and up to the size of chamois (80 lbs).
So, thank you, Formid. Also because you inspired my curiosity and gave me two little toys which I enjoyed so much putting together and now shooting and hunting with!
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Sir, you certainly didn’t need me. And I greatly appreciate your information that you have given me.

 

[Lawnboi]

@TheUgly
Saw on the hide that 22 creed is on a PVA prefit. Please tell me more, how’s it shoot? Freebore? Osprey or rock creek?

 

[TheUgly]

@TheUgly
Saw on the hide that 22 creed is on a PVA prefit. Please tell me more, how’s it shoot? Freebore? Osprey or rock creek?

Barrel is from PVA but is one of their Osprey blanks - not a prefit. Barrel was then sent to smith to get chambered/threaded.

.130fb and .259nk

Have 400 rounds down the tube since I got it. No issues so far

 

[grappling_hook]

Didn’t measure the wound channel, but both lungs and heart were severely damaged. None of the far side shoulder meat was damaged.

Bullet entrance
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Inside shoulder
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Front shoulder was completely shattered and hanging on by a thread. Undamaged far side shoulder is on the left for reference
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Is that a Marbles knife?

 

[TheUgly]

Is that a Marbles knife?

Negative.

It was made by Western Knife Company and has “L66” stamped on it.

It was my dad’s old boy scout knife from back in the day that he gave to me last year. It is the only sentimental price of gear in my kit

 

[ShootOkHuntWorse]

Took my new T3x Lite out for the first time on paper. 77tmks over the prescribed 24.5grn of TAC at 2.26. As boringly simple as advertised. Totally mixed range pickup brass shooting factory seconds. The one flyer to the right was probably me. My scope is a garbage rod Nikon. Trijicon Credo is the plan. Won’t be for a couple months.

 

[grappling_hook]

Negative.

It was made by Western Knife Company and has “L66” stamped on it.

It was my dad’s old boy scout knife from back in the day that he gave to me last year. It is the only sentimental price of gear in my kit

Very cool. Those old stacked leather handled knives are pretty neat and have good steel; bet it holds a nice edge. The Marbles knife in my profile pic was a gift to my son from his great uncle. Not ultralight, but as you say sentimental and was worth enough to haul up to the alpine after goats the last two trips.

 

[PantherCity]

Looking at .223 suppressors for a 16” bolt gun I’m planning. What are good compact and light options I should be looking at? Most 556 cans are heavy with QD mount & rated for full auto. I have a Nomad Ti .30 cal but would like something direct thread that will just stay on the 223.

The griffin Optimus Micro is on my radar. It’s $500 and 8.5oz 5.3” long.


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