21% VAT Tax in Europe on Ibex - how do locals afford hunt??

[bluemaroon]

For context I would really love to hunt ibex and chamois in the European mountains (most likely Spain). However when talking to outfitters there is always a 21% VAT tax added to quote.

I mentioned paying cash but apparently that means nothing since Spanish Ibex tags come from the government and there is no savings opportunity with cash.

It almost feels like the European governments want to tax hunting at a crazy rate in order to kill it off.

Has anyone else had similar experience?

 

[RME]

My knowledge of European tax law is limited but as far as I know they don't use an income tax system like we have. They use a "consumption tax" on things you buy to make the bulk of their money instead of an income tax.

 

[112Savage]

Talk to other outfitters. There are ways to bake away some of the taxes. The 21% will always be present but the amount on which it gets charged may be able to be manipulated

 

[alaska_bou]

The 21% VAT tax does not apply to business to business transactions, so if you book through an agency this tax will not apply. If you are charged this VAT, they are doing so to profit from it.

 

[Chumsnagger]

My knowledge of European tax law is limited but as far as I know they don't use an income tax system like we have. They use a "consumption tax" on things you buy to make the bulk of their money instead of an income tax.

Income tax in European countries for most people is more than the VAT. Europeans would love to pay NY and CA tax rates

 

[RME]

Income tax in European countries for most people is more than the VAT. Europeans would love to pay NY and CA tax rates

10-4…explains the languishing economies

 

[medvedyt]

you can recover some of it when leaving EU space as well .. almost a need for a finance advisor or business lawyer for those amounts lol ...

VAT refunds

Information on refunds for cross-border transactions for VAT incurred by people or businesses not based in the country concerned.

taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu

but the tariff wars might have killed it ... for us hunters.

 

[alaska_bou]

10-4…explains the languishing economies

What languishing economies?

 

[Suera]

For context I would really love to hunt ibex and chamois in the European mountains (most likely Spain). However when talking to outfitters there is always a 21% VAT tax added to quote.

I mentioned paying cash but apparently that means nothing since Spanish Ibex tags come from the government and there is no savings opportunity with cash.

It almost feels like the European governments want to tax hunting at a crazy rate in order to kill it off.

Has anyone else had similar experience?

If you pay by Transfer to our spanish ir european bank accounts, yes the 21% VAT is mandatory and no way to avoid It. Usually the clients that want to save some money they pay the Booking Signals by Transfer and the rest of the amount in cash when they finish the hunt

 

[SCgator]

That is the definitely the way to do it to avoid the 21% VAT Suera, or so I hear

 

[Mark H. Young]

For context I would really love to hunt ibex and chamois in the European mountains (most likely Spain). However when talking to outfitters there is always a 21% VAT tax added to quote.

I mentioned paying cash but apparently that means nothing since Spanish Ibex tags come from the government and there is no savings opportunity with cash.

It almost feels like the European governments want to tax hunting at a crazy rate in order to kill it off.

Has anyone else had similar experience?

 

[Mark H. Young]

Howdy,

You are correct that the 21% VAT really bumps the price of what can be a reasonably priced hunt in Spain. There is a way around that where you can pay only the advertised price.

As for the ibex the most economical way to hunt them is by choosing a "representative" ibex hunt which means you can shoot any Ibex you see and that could be all the way up to Silver Medal. The hunt will be conducted in an area that just does not hold big Medal billys.

Message me if you'd like more details.

Mark

 

[abbrown]

Go hunt chamois in New Zealand - they are wild, you don't need a tag, and the country and terrain are incredible.

 

[Suera]

Howdy,

You are correct that the 21% VAT really bumps the price of what can be a reasonably priced hunt in Spain. There is a way around that where you can pay only the advertised price.

As for the ibex the most economical way to hunt them is by choosing a "representative" ibex hunt which means you can shoot any Ibex you see and that could be all the way up to Silver Medal. The hunt will be conducted in an area that just does not hold big Medal billys.

Message me if you'd like more details.

Mark

You are mixing concepts.
The only way to avoid VAT is by paying cash for private zone permits. The fact is that outfitters have to pay VAT to the government on these permits; if they accept cash from you, they end up absorbing an extra cost themselves, so it isn't in their interest for you to pay that way—which is why they make up excuses. Regarding what you said about choosing a "representative" hunt, that’s not quite how it works. Trophies are categorized as representative, bronze, silver, or gold; naturally, the higher the score, the higher the cost of the permit or the hunt itself. What you are referring to is a "no-limit" package, meaning you can shoot the largest animal you see. However, in these areas, you generally won't end up taking a silver or gold-medal trophy; when they offer this type of package instead of pricing based on points, it’s usually because they already know their area doesn't produce top-tier trophies.

 

[Mark H. Young]

Sir,

Im not yet a member with PM message capability but you can message me. No need to have a disagreement on the forum.

Cheers,

Mark