2026 SHOT SHOW releases

[Jdeck09]

Has anyone seen anything about the rumored vortex rangefinding binos with the razor glass?

 

[mddat]

Do we all really believe this has anything to do with the hardware? This all sounds 100% software based and they are using it as an excuse to try to get people to upgrade.

I agree 100%, it’s bullsh*t. I’m just pointing out the differences garmin is advertising.

 

[grfox92]

New 110 Trail Blazer $720 msrp 7BC available in 20" or 16.5"

.243 is a 1:9.25 twist. Idiots.

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[gretch6364]

Has anyone seen anything about the rumored vortex rangefinding binos with the razor glass?

I would also like to know about this. I am in the market for range finding binos that work with a ballistics app and display the dope in the bino. Shopping against the Sig ones.

 

[streamerfish]

Some body did a bullet pull on a case and it wasn't very easy to do so. I am unfamiliar with what that yielded, but Federal has already stated there factory offering is using a proprietary powder not available to consumers. The load data is using what is available to us and not achieving what they can. Similar to the 7mm PRC fiasco. The only reason they can claim less recoil and why it happens is because the speed is coming from pressure not propellant. Increasing pressure won't necessarily increase recoil like increasing powder does. Either way this technology is cool but doesn't really have a future with them having a patent on it. No room for competition to improve it or make it more cost effective.

Its why I decided in the end to go with a different cartridge when building my lightweight hunting rifle. Still waiting on the barrel and stock to come in though.

Yeah, I assumed they have some kind of not commercially available powder that they are using, I mentioned that above.

 

[Matt5266]

Yeh I know Matt.

But making some judgement about his knowledge from a couple minute video with a mic shoved in his face is a bit rough. Maybe I read too deep into "he seems unsure" and thats my bad if I did.

What did you find he was unsure about? Mostly the logistics of how to package it is what I saw.

Release dates are common if you don't want to frustrate people. He has an extra set of international logistics to deal with plus tariffs. Shit look at the certainty in the s2h scope endeavor. We dont know if its July or next year. Hes a consumer like the rest of us and likely sick of absolute bs dates being thrown out by companies (in NZ its worse as we often see products showing up once a replacement has come out from the manufacturer).

So maybe I read into it to much if thats the case I apologize but I invite you to call Matt post the show and talk to him and then tell me he doesnt know his product hes definitely more suited to explaining every little bit in intricate detail than concisely summing it up. Hes got full on engineers brain and can get lost in the weeds explaining every little bit like the little machined ramp to allow you to look into the bubble level whilst staying in the scope or why he has the I hate to say it but subjectively ugly skeltonised buttstock (foams heavy).

Im not stating he doesn't have knowledge about his product, I assume he knows it inside and out. I guess he seemed ill prepared to present it at an event like shot is what i was getting at. Maybe it was nerves, I dont know. Im not bashing the guy or company. I love new innovations into the shooting/hunting industry and seeing people/company's push the limits. Im eager to see more information and reviews on the stock then they do become available.

 

[Gadjet]

This is what I want to know. Even if they somehow still aren't doing 6 CM they must have some new models or something, right??

A 20 inch stainless super lite in 6.5 PRC is what I'm hoping for.

 

[MtnHawker]

Yeah, I assumed they have some kind of not commercially available powder that they are using, I mentioned that above.

They've stated the exact opposite. It's not a proprietary powder. The magic is entirely in the case.

 

[bnewt3]

.243 is a 1:9.25 twist. Idiots.

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Yeah I do question some of their choices. I see the new 110 is available in 5.56, not 223 and 1:7, but the Axis 2 223(not 5.56) is 1:9.

I have to wonder why they wouldnt just make everything 223 Wylde and cut down on tooling costs.

 

[streamerfish]

This reads like you have done absolutely zero research and not watched any of the people providing actual real world speeds and shooting data from their testing. LOL. Please do not pass go...

Do you disagree that it's not groundbreaking unless someone develops a powder to really take advantage for the higher pressure threshold allowed in the case??

Maybe I should word it differently. It has the potential to be groundbreaking, but only if a powder is developed to take advantage of the potential.

I would say or agree that it is an incremental improvement/especially off the shelf. I mean your getting potentially/roughly something round 7mm RUM performance from 7mm rem mag recoil. That's not nothing for sure. Thats what, 100 yards more effective range give or take for the same recoil.

In short. It's an improvement, its not a major/groundbreaking/holy cow type of improvement. At least not in my mind. UNLESS, some kind of new powder comes out along with it.

 

[bnewt3]

Do you disagree that it's not groundbreaking unless someone develops a powder to really take advantage for the higher pressure threshold allowed in the case??

Maybe I should word it differently. It has the potential to be groundbreaking, but only if a powder is developed to take advantage of the potential.

I would say or agree that it is an incremental improvement/especially off the shelf. I mean your getting potentially/roughly something round 7mm RUM performance from 7mm rem mag recoil. That's not nothing for sure. Thats what, 100 yards more effective range give or take for the same recoil.

In short. It's an improvement, its not a major/groundbreaking/holy cow type of improvement. At least not in my mind. UNLESS, some kind of new powder comes out along with it.

The point is NOT perf/recoil improvement, although that is a nice bonus. The point is to get 7RM/PRC perf from a barrel 6-8" shorter than what RM/PRC need.

The groundbreaking part, IMO, is what this could mean for ALOT of existing cartridges as NAS3 is showing. 308 becomes SA .30-06+, .30-06 becomes 300WM, 6.5CM becomes 6.5PRC, 7-08 becomes 280 Rem, maybe even 280AI, etc, etc, etc and all potentially while using shorter barrels than traditional.

 

[gabenzeke]

In threads like these it would be handy to have a button to filter out arguments.

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[streamerfish]

They've stated the exact opposite. It's not a proprietary powder. The magic is entirely in the case.

The reloading data uses the same "magic" case.

You can't have the Same case, and be 60-100fps faster in your factory ammo, then your own reloading data, unless your factory ammo is running a different powder then what you can list as commercially available to reloaders. Or unless one set of data isn't correct.

 

[Judd]

Strangely, my Garmin chrono...I could pause a session...start a new one and go back and add to the paused session...then one day it just didn't work like that any longer. I thought I had broken the thing but I couldn't and haven't been able to get that to work again. I knew better than to keep the firmware updated haha.

 

[gretch6364]

The reloading data uses the same "magic" case.

You can't have the Same case, and be 60-100fps faster in your factory ammo, then your own reloading data, unless your factory ammo is running a different powder then what you can list as commercially available to reloaders. Or unless one set of data isn't correct.

If you think about it for a little…it will come to you. Promise.

 

[CMP70306]

Some body did a bullet pull on a case and it wasn't very easy to do so. I am unfamiliar with what that yielded, but Federal has already stated there factory offering is using a proprietary powder not available to consumers. The load data is using what is available to us and not achieving what they can. Similar to the 7mm PRC fiasco. The only reason they can claim less recoil and why it happens is because the speed is coming from pressure not propellant. Increasing pressure won't necessarily increase recoil like increasing powder does. Either way this technology is cool but doesn't really have a future with them having a patent on it. No room for competition to improve it or make it more cost effective.

Its why I decided in the end to go with a different cartridge when building my lightweight hunting rifle. Still waiting on the barrel and stock to come in though.

The 7 PRC fiasco was Vista Outdoors owning Alliant Powders and refusing to sell RL26 to Hornady while loading their own 7 PRC ammo with it through Federal. That’s why Federal was still getting 2950 fps out of their ammo while Hornady was a couple hundred fps slower.

 

[mistadventures]

They've stated the exact opposite. It's not a proprietary powder. The magic is entirely in the case.

Man idk where your getting your info, but the folks over at Federal have stated that they use proprietary powder. Just like Hornady did with the first batches of 7mm PRC. Its VERY common for ammo manufacturers to use a blend of powders or to make their own specific powder for a cartridge that are NOT available to consumers. Even basic Google searches reveal the same information.

 

[mistadventures]

The 7 PRC fiasco was Vista Outdoors owning Alliant Powders and refusing to sell RL26 to Hornady while loading their own 7 PRC ammo with it through Federal. That’s why Federal was still getting 2950 fps out of their ammo while Hornady was a couple hundred fps slower.

Was that an official statement or just what's rumored? Last I read, they used a blend of RL26 with something else. It wasn't straight RL26, or at least it had similar properties to RL26 but wasn't exactly RL26.

 

[gerry35]

The 7 PRC fiasco was Vista Outdoors owning Alliant Powders and refusing to sell RL26 to Hornady while loading their own 7 PRC ammo with it through Federal. That’s why Federal was still getting 2950 fps out of their ammo while Hornady was a couple hundred fps slower.

Hornady never let their customers know the load that was supposed to be doing 3000 was actually doing 2850 +/- they are often optimistic shall we say on some other cartridges too.

 

[streamerfish]

The point is NOT perf/recoil improvement, although that is a nice bonus. The point is to get 7RM/PRC perf from a barrel 6-8" shorter than what RM/PRC need.

The groundbreaking part, IMO, is what this could mean for ALOT of existing cartridges as NAS3 is showing. 308 becomes SA .30-06+, .30-06 becomes 300WM, 6.5CM becomes 6.5PRC, etc, etc, etc and all potentially while using shorter barrels than traditional.

Your not though....Your getting 7RM/7PRC in around 4" less barrel.

And, when you dip into the really short barrels to really take advantage of the faster burn rate powder, now your bumping into 200/250 fps better then a 7SAUM/7WSM type, your losing the advantage a bit because now your in the same powder burn range. Its getting a bit more speed yep, its an advantage yes, but now the advantage is only the 80K pressure, which is only worth soo much, 3-5grains of powder, couple hundred fps or so. Still better. Not jaw dropping.