1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[id_jon]

All my triggers are medium length, sell me on short.

 

[RockAndSage]

All my triggers are medium length, sell me on short.

Long and medium "feel" better to me personally, in the feelsies category of handling a gun, but the longer a trigger is, the more you generally start seeing people send their shots left and low-left, especially when shooting at speed (for a right-handed shooter, they go right for a lefty).

My take on it, is that it's mostly an issue of geometry, between how the trigger-finger is oriented with the trigger - ideal orientation is 90-degrees at break. Slightly longer triggers have the pad of the finger pressing a bit more on the shooter's strong-side of the trigger, and a bit less on the weak-side - leading to a press that's not actually straight back to the nose. It's something that can be controlled for a bit in concentrated slow-fire, but when you speed things up and go fast, it tends to show up more.

I also suspect a short trigger makes things a bit more forgiving with your strong-hand grip when your trigger-finger isn't perfectly isolated from the rest of the muscles in your hand.

Overall though, shorter triggers tend to tighten groups up better, especially at speed. Best thing is to experiment and give it a hard go for a couple of cases of ammo.

 

[Elk Chaser]

I wanted to ask this in this thread as it's been an incredible source of information as opposed to starting my own and I know this has beat to death in a lot of regards but I'm going to ask again...

Through some good fortune at work, I'm more or less being given an "allowance" to purchase a gift for myself for my 20 year anniversary and I've decided it's going to be a 2011 and optic. What I'm hoping to confirm is that I'm on the right track with thinking a Staccato C w/ an Acro P2 is about as good as it gets.

Some qualifiers - I'm not much of a pistol guy but aim to become more proficient in that arena, relatively competent with a rifle but could always stand to get better there as well. I'm also not much of a tinkerer so thinking going the Staccato route will be more failsafe as far as immediate component swaps and other things I see referenced with Tisas and the like. Additionally, weight is definitely a factor as I will be carrying while backpack hunting so the sub 30oz type pistol is absolutely more appealing for that use case.

I'm not married to the optic choice but I'm near certain I want something with an enclosed emitter and inherently durable. From what I gather the Acro and maybe Trijicon RCR are really at the top of the heap in that arena.

Apologies for the long winded post but I look forward to any insight anyone is willing to give. Definitely looking forward to making the purchase and working on a new discipline.

 

[Dobermann]

Remington is still tryin to figure out bolt actions....

And who owns them ...

 

[Dobermann]

Long and medium "feel" better to me personally, in the feelsies category of handling a gun, but the longer a trigger is, the more you generally start seeing people send their shots left and low-left, especially when shooting at speed (for a right-handed shooter, they go right for a lefty).

My take on it, is that it's mostly an issue of geometry, between how the trigger-finger is oriented with the trigger - ideal orientation is 90-degrees at break. Slightly longer triggers have the pad of the finger pressing a bit more on the shooter's strong-side of the trigger, and a bit less on the weak-side - leading to a press that's not actually straight back to the nose. It's something that can be controlled for a bit in concentrated slow-fire, but when you speed things up and go fast, it tends to show up more.

I also suspect a short trigger makes things a bit more forgiving with your strong-hand grip when your trigger-finger isn't perfectly isolated from the rest of the muscles in your hand.

Overall though, shorter triggers tend to tighten groups up better, especially at speed. Best thing is to experiment and give it a hard go for a couple of cases of ammo.

I wonder how much difference 90 degrees at beginning of press matters also?

My CZ (known for long triggers and many comp guys swap them out) is too long for me at the beginning of the DA pull, which makes for awkward shooting. It's fine when it resets to SA.

My Tisas 1911 is also just a little too long. But my Bul 1911 comes with a short trigger from factory, and I can get onto it immediately - don't have to think about it / don't get distracted by it. Makes a massive difference.

 

[fwafwow]

If anyone is on the fence, the best price I could find was at Able Ammo. Ordered last night and it’s been shipped. I spoke to a real human today to confirm receipt of my LGS FFL. Delivery expected Friday.

 

[Dobermann]

If anyone is on the fence, the best price I could find was at Able Ammo. Ordered last night and it’s been shipped. I spoke to a real human today to confirm receipt of my LGS FFL. Delivery expected Friday.

Excited for you! In the meantime, I found out that Bul are coming out with a railed Commander-length version, so now I'm in two minds ...

 

[fwafwow]

Excited for you! In the meantime, I found out that Bul are coming out with a railed Commander-length version, so now I'm in two minds ...

You need to get it!

 

[Dobermann]

You need to get it!

What I was saying was that the 5" stainless version that matches my black one is on special, but there's a Commander length coming ...

Hang on ... by 'it', do you mean both? Hmm ... hold my

 

[Formidilosus]

If Kimber can keep up the quality, the Warrior DS seems like it will be the non-Staccatto 2011.

 

[fwafwow]

What I was saying was that the 5" stainless version that matches my black one is on special, but there's a Commander length coming ...

Hang on ... by 'it', do you mean both? Hmm ... hold my

“It” = both (more)

If Kimber can keep up the quality, the Warrior DS seems like it will be the non-Staccatto 2011.

Initial reaction: “I knew I should have waited a bit longer!”

Post-justification/rationalization reaction: “The universe is telling me to change all of my pistols to the 1911 platform, and this is how I can do it ‘economically’!”

 

[nephewjephew]

If Kimber can keep up the quality, the Warrior DS seems like it will be the non-Staccatto 2011.

What is it about these versus the others that shows such promise? And if true a 4" or 4.25 length would be cool to see in the future. Also assuming grip size is not 1911 but 2011 (staccato, tisas ds) sized.

eta - Do all Kimber 1911 have their schwartz grip safety?

have you looked at the new Springfield 10-8?

 

[Yooper]

Not to derail this any further but where do the pros in here stand on red dots on 1911's? Gotta have one if you can or messes with the aesthetic of the gun? I've always preferred the clean look of the classic 1911 but there's something fun about shooting with a dot as well.

 

[zdc1775]

Not to derail this any further but where do the pros in here stand on red dots on 1911's? Gotta have one if you can or messes with the aesthetic of the gun? I've always preferred the clean look of the classic 1911 but there's something fun about shooting with a dot as well.

My opinion, it does mess up the looks of a good 1911 just like a railed dustcover does, but I am definitely a function over form type of person so I prefer all my guns to have a RDS and a rail.

 

[TitsMcGee]

Just picked up this MAC 9 DS non-comp last week and got some parts in to create this abomination! I snagged it for $715 shipped.

Found a used Stac P grip, magwell, grip safety, mag release, mainspring housing, and trigger for $200(Springfield Prodigy grip, mag release and MSH for $50 would have been a better value) because the original texture was… well it wasn’t textured, I’ll put it that way. Also got this rmr07 used for $275. We’re wheelin and dealin baby!

Already broke it down, lightly sanded(mostly just got rid of high spots) and polished all the internals, as well as the frame rails. Slightly beveled and rounded the areas on the bottom of slide that were hanging on the disconnector, lubed it up and racked it a whole shit ton while watching TV. I suspect the extractor will need some tuning because it wouldn’t let go of a round no matter how much I shook the slide, and it feels pretty heavily sprung but gonna put 500 rounds through it before anything else. I can’t make it to the range until next week, but will report back with thoughts and findings.

 

[Reddish]

If Kimber can keep up the quality, the Warrior DS seems like it will be the non-Staccatto 2011.

I plan on finding out soon.

I also feel like I need one in 10mm...

 

[TitsMcGee]

The search for oils continues …

SOTAR home-brew lube is basically all I use anymore. If you don’t feel like watching the whole thing it’s full-synth motor oil, and full-synth red mobil1 grease mixed to the consistency of honey. More runny for colder environments. Any grease would work. $20 for a lifetime supply. I also picked up some Of these brand bottles off amazon to throw in every chest rig & range bag so you’re never without. They’re designed for relatively thin oils so they don’t leak. You can mix it to your own desired viscosity. It’s not natural by any means. I also bring de-lead hand wipes in my range bag and always wash with dawn when I’m home.

If you’re fairly concerned about toxicity of artificial oil interactions then avocado or grape seed are probably your best bet for firearm related endeavors. I’m no scientist but I’d probably be more concerned with the explosion of fumes within 2 feet of your breathing holes, than skin contact(Unless you’re a smoker, but also strange prioritization there). You could probably try a similar method as above mixing beef tallow and whatever cooking oil of choice but I’m not sure if the consistency would stay over time.

 

[Shraggs]

If Kimber can keep up the quality, the Warrior DS seems like it will be the non-Staccatto 2011.

Where do the kimber KDS9 series in your assessment?

 

[tikkashooter88]

Really wanting to jump into the $1k double stack 9mm 1911 game. Is there a consensus of what is the go to for reliability in that price range? Wait for the Kimber Warrior to be put through the paces?

I'm not wanting a Staccato level pistol for $1k. I'm just wanting to dabble in some local competitive shooting and fun on the range.

 

[Billogna]

Really wanting to jump into the $1k double stack 9mm 1911 game. Is there a consensus of what is the go to for reliability in that price range? Wait for the Kimber Warrior to be put through the paces?

I'm not wanting a Staccato level pistol for $1k. I'm just wanting to dabble in some local competitive shooting and fun on the range.

If you're just getting into this (like me) I'd recommend the Tisas DS9 and put either a Wilson bullet proof or EGW extractor and run it. After a few rounds and some reading you'll figure out what else needs tweaking. Starting point under $1k and no complaints from me so far.