1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[24valve]

Anyone know how bad or good this thing is? Flashlight is $350 new...

As an amateur handgun shooter wanting to get better, I bought a brand new double stack B9R last year for $600 as my first 9mm 1911 and it quickly became my favorite pistol, that I also shot the best. Mine has had 2-3 malfunctions in 1500ish rounds, but has been better since replacing the extractor. For someone looking for a budget 2011 to practice with, I would recommend it.

Tisas used to make (and might still) double stack lowers if you don't want the homemade stipple grip.

Be warned though, that poor-man's 2011 convinced me that a staccato was worth it and somewhere in my future...

 

[TradLife406]

From the pic looks like a double stack pull the magazine, very easy to tell.

Yeah did more looking at it seems like online they are double. Didn't drop the mag in the store. Just assumed it'd be double. Then saw one report it was single.

 

[TradLife406]

That is a 2011. And there is no getting a Staccato without buying a Staccato.

I'll get a cup out of a bra and wear it as a hat into the pawn shop tomorrow and see if I can get a better price

 

[Dobermann]

Want a staccato without paying $2700

Other than getting a Staccato secondhand, your other options for 'nearly a Staccato but not a Staccato' might be a Kimber 2K11 or a Bul Armoury SAS.

 

[24valve]

Want a staccato without paying $2700

C's and CS's have been on sale at Scheels for $2300

 

[RockAndSage]

C's and CS's have been on sale at Scheels for $2300

That's a killer price.

 

[streamerfish]

Think it's single stack though.
How are the newer Springfield prodigy pistols? Really want double stack and a rail. Optics ready. Want a staccato without paying $2700

Prodigy is ok, can be made to be pretty good if you don't mind tinkering. The optics plate seems to be the main weak spot.

Staccato I wouldn't consider anything overwhelmingly special, but i do look at it from more of a competition standpoint instead of a general use/plinking standpoint.

I think the Kimber 2K11 is a good one for less then a Staccato. Its Aluminum, but I've already seen a few with over 20K rounds down the pipe and no issues. I wouldn't worry about it at all for "normal" use.

 

[RussDXT]

Prodigy is ok, can be made to be pretty good if you don't mind tinkering. The optics plate seems to be the main weak spot.

Staccato I wouldn't consider anything overwhelmingly special, but i do look at it from more of a competition standpoint instead of a general use/plinking standpoint.

I think the Kimber 2K11 is a good one for less then a Staccato. Its Aluminum, but I've already seen a few with over 20K rounds down the pipe and no issues. I wouldn't worry about it at all for "normal" use.

That sure is a break from the norm for kimber.

Staccatos are the standard for reliability in a 2011 platform.

 

[streamerfish]

That sure is a break from the norm for kimber.

Staccatos are the standard for reliability in a 2011 platform.

Yeah, I agree that its a positive development for Kimber. Its really a sweet pistol to shoot. Nice trigger out of the box, feeds flawlessly etc.

And yeah, for pure out of the box reliability in a 2011 type platform the Staccato's are very solid. I dont love the triggers, and I'm not married to a 2011 platform. But if you insist on a 2011, staccato is a great pick.

 

[Dobermann]

That sure is a break from the norm for kimber.

Staccatos are the standard for reliability in a 2011 platform.

I'm not tracking on it too closely, but apparently their old CEO who took the company in a bad direction went to SIG. Kimber are now trying to work out who to turn things around, and appear to be getting good reviews so far from some high volume shooters for the 2k11.

 

[RussDXT]

After reading something positive about a new kimber I went on 1911addicts and looked up the 2k11 and the reviews are pretty positive.

The fact you can get it in 9 or 45 is cool. I’d consider one if it fit my needs based on what I’m seeing.

 

[timbernomad]

Are there any polymer striker fired pistols that come closer than others to approximating the 1911 shooting experience?

 

[streamerfish]

No, not really.

Some Might end up being relatively close from a grip standpoint. But the weight and trigger designs make it completely different shooting experiences.

Plenty of Poly, striker fire pistols that shoot well. But they are not the same experience.

 

[Dobermann]

Are there any polymer striker fired pistols that come closer than others to approximating the 1911 shooting experience?

One that has a grip angle closer to the 1911 is the CZ P10.

 

[Hardly_Hangin]

For the general population as a subcompact EDC, would something like a kimber micro 9 make more sense than say a snubnose ruger lcr 9mm?

Asked differently, does the improved shootability benefit of the 1911 platform diminish enough in such a small package that the carrying comfort of a snubnose wheel gun makes more sense for EDC?

 

[streamerfish]

For the general population as a subcompact EDC, would something like a kimber micro 9 make more sense than say a snubnose ruger lcr 9mm?

Asked differently, does the improved shootability benefit of the 1911 platform diminish enough in such a small package that the carrying comfort of a snubnose wheel gun makes more sense for EDC?

Personally I haven't shot much in the way of subcompacts, never a kimber or wheel subcompact. So i got nothing....

I won't go any smaller then a compact in the CZ P10C, Glock G19 type of size range when CC. But that's just personal for me.

 

[RWT]

If I am going staccato. Flat or curved trigger. Does it really matter?

 

[Nine Banger]

If I am going staccato. Flat or curved trigger. Does it really matter?

I don't think it matters.

I got a flat trigger because I'd never had one.

 

[RockAndSage]

If I am going staccato. Flat or curved trigger. Does it really matter?

I don't think it matters.

The most important thing for most people really is just getting the shortest one you can. I can't recall seeing anyone, regardless of hand size or finger length, do better with longer triggers. I like the "feel" of longer triggers, but that's a siren's song if there ever was one - it tends to induce shot groupings left, or low and left. There are videos from some top makers that tell you how to fit the trigger to your finger length by measurement, but, again, I just don't think that usually matches up with reality for what produces the best performance.

I've had both flat and curved, and while flat seems to "feel" better, I can say it definitely doesn't shoot better, at least not for me. It's a wash. I just picked up the shortest flat and the shortest curved I could for my Staccato C, but only did so to be able to personally see which one would actually be shortest. Often, that's the curved. But I'm thinking about trying what Form seems to do, in shortening one of them even further.

That said, there is a theory out there, that the more curved you can get a trigger, the better, because it puts the pad of your finger into the curve more consistently. There may be something to it, but I suspect you'd probably have to be at a truly elite level of shooting for there to be any measurable difference at all. And, that it probably wouldn't be in any kind of action/practical pistol shooting. More of a precision rifle thing, if there's any merit at all.