1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[CaptArab]

What's the current cut?

Whatever holosun this is. I'd rather have good irons and go that route if not the sro.

The Knoxville import company sells it with rmr cut. I'd should have bought that one but didn't know better.

 

[Thegman]

Here is an outdoor life link to the FBI report. The screenshot is the conclusion with the hi-lighted portion specifically regarding their findings on the Stryker safety lock of that 320.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

Sorry to derail further, but...

This makes more sense than most of what I've heard. The striker block safety -has- to have function issues for this to be an actual issue. A slipping sear in and of itself can't be the whole issue, only part of the issue. Guys showing a P320 go "click" doesn't mean the pistol in question would actually have fired...unless the SBS also failed.

What seems strange is that this doesn't seem to have been replicated on pistols that have already had such an apparent issue. I suppose extremely intermittent/unusual conditions that affect the SBS could be part of that.

 

[Fatcamp]

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Whatever holosun this is. I'd rather have good irons and go that route if not the sro.

The Knoxville import company sells it with rmr cut. I'd should have bought that one but didn't know better.

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

 

[kad11]

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

Military Armament Corp

 

[CaptArab]

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

My tisas has the EPS carry. Too small for me. But I'm still used to the Glock grip so if index was ideal maybe it would be fine IDK. I also had to get a special adapter for the x300 because the tisas rail spacing is stupid.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

I misspoke this is aos cut not straight rmr.

MAC 9 DS

We're a premiere firearms import partner that brings pistols, shotguns, accessories, parts & more from Tisas USA, Tokarev USA, Spandau Arms, MAC & Inglis Mfg.

sdsarms.com

Still better than rmr-cc or whatever mine is.
Cone barrel too which is nice. I think they even use a normal rail spacing for x300s.

Military Armament Corp 1911MAC 9 DS 9mm 4.25" Barrel 17-Rounds

The Military Armament Corp 1911MAC in 9mm combines classic styling with modern performance enhancements in a battle-ready, optics-ready platform. Featuring a 4.25-inch 416 stainless steel match-grade barrel, engraved walnut grips, and a rugged QPQ Tenifer finish, this semi-auto 1911 delivers...

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Mine fits perfectly in tenicor 19/2011 holsters.

Here's the tisas adapter for the x300-

Tisas B9R DS Light Adapters - QVO Tactical, LLC

So you picked up a budget 2011 and realized you can't run a full-sized weapon light? Don't worry we did the same but we designed a solution so that we could run lights like the SureFire X300u A & B models, Streamlight TLR-1 and Holosun PID. Our CAD designed light keys will allow you to easily...

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[Dobermann]

Looks like Tisas discontinued most of the 9mm single stacks. Anything else out there comparable to the B9R single stack?

Hmm ... their website is showing at least 5 offerings: https://tisasusa.com/categories/1911-pistols/1911-single-stack.html?_bc_fsnf=1&Caliber=9MM

Although it looks like each one is showing as out of stock on that site, so not sure what that means ...

 

[sz28]

Looks like Tisas discontinued most of the 9mm single stacks. Anything else out there comparable to the B9R single stack?

The threaded barrel nightstalker can be found for less than $550 currently. The non threaded/non optic cut for less than $500.

 

[fwafwow]

The Sig P320 wouldn’t be an option at this point.

Sorry to be also behind in the news. I’m trying to catch up. Not to parse your words, but does “at this point” meaning based on the information known so far but possibly to change with more info? Or are you less optimistic?

 

[Formidilosus]

Sorry to be also behind in the news. I’m trying to catch up. Not to parse your words, but does “at this point” meaning based on the information known so far but possibly to change with more info? Or are you less optimistic?

Unless someone comes out with replacements parts that solve the issues WITH lots of open testing…. Not optimistic.

The Sig P320 was interesting to me because you could get it with a thumb safety and then the Brouwer M1811 grip module which made it as close to a $700 1911 in 9mm that was available. With those it was a very shootable pistol as far as striker fired guns go.
However, now that getting a 9mm 1911 or 2011 that works isn’t hard, and combined with the P320 issues- I just don’t see the advantage to the gun.

 

[fwafwow]

Unless someone comes out with replacements parts that solve the issues WITH lots of open testing…. Not optimistic.

The Sig P320 was interesting to me because you could get it with a thumb safety and then the Brouwer M1811 grip module which made it as close to a $700 1911 in 9mm that was available. With those it was a very shootable pistol as far as striker fired guns go.
However, now that getting a 9mm 1911 or 2011 that works isn’t hard, and combined with the P320 issues- I just don’t see the advantage to the gun.

Gotcha. I’ve got 3. I’m in the early stages of deciding whether to do anything

 

[Dobermann]

Gotcha. I’ve got 3. I’m in the early stages of deciding whether to do anything

I'm only following this casually online, but a lot has happened in just the last month or two. Some folks are reporting that some gun shops are either not buying them, or offering very low money, in light of the current issues. Some online stores have apparently stopped carrying them.

A couple of videos have been posted just this week with lists of agencies and ranges that have banned their use.

And I'm guessing you've now seen this latest incident?: https://apnews.com/article/airman-death-sig-sauer-m18-pause-39660361f6bdff4482020293acb79805

Also worth tracking down their online response from a few weeks ago, where they suggested something along the lines that the questions being raised about the P320 were by people who were anti-gun, despite them actually being raised by people in service, law enforcement, and pro-gun circles.

Beyond the platform itself, Sig (USA)'s handling of the issue has been enough for me to not want to support them as a company.

 

[fwafwow]

Thank you. (OP - sorry for the continued tangent. I've considered a separate P320 post, but I am trying to avoid what I'm seeing elsewhere and described in the next paragraph.)

I had been aware, largely due to very light participation on Sigtalk, of the P320 issues over the years. The increased activity has piqued my interest. It's tough to wade through the info on that forum (at least for me), as it seems most posts fall into either staunch defenders or absolute haters. (I'm not throwing stones at that forum - it reminds me of some of the RS debates.)

I'm only following this casually online, but a lot has happened in just the last month or two. Some folks are reporting that some gun shops are either not buying them, or offering very low money, in light of the current issues. Some online stores have apparently stopped carrying them.

I did a quick gun.deals search and still found at least the WCP320 available, and selling for more than I paid for mine. (I very rarely sell guns, so I wouldn't be terribly worried if that wasn't the case.)

A couple of videos have been posted just this week with lists of agencies and ranges that have banned their use.

I am trying my best to avoid any of the videos that are influencer created. I have seen those headlines (although I doubt those are what you are referencing).

And I'm guessing you've now seen this latest incident?: https://apnews.com/article/airman-death-sig-sauer-m18-pause-39660361f6bdff4482020293acb79805

Yep

Also worth tracking down their online response from a few weeks ago, where they suggested something along the lines that the questions being raised about the P320 were by people who were anti-gun, despite them actually being raised by people in service, law enforcement, and pro-gun circles.

Beyond the platform itself, Sig (USA)'s handling of the issue has been enough for me to not want to support them as a company.

I know many won't use or hate FB, but I found this recent video by Bruce Gray at GrayGuns. He acknowledges he has a dog in the fight, and that video is just a prologue of other videos, but he says they were only able to replicate a UD in one narrow scenario involving a modified pistol.

For those interested, here is the Sig online response @Dobermann referenced.

I'd like to think that I'm neutral on this topic. Yes, I've got a few of the P320s, and more other Sigs, but if the P320 really isn't safe, I will make changes for those.

 

[Fatcamp]

I stopped at Scheels two days ago and they had a variety of new and used 320s of all calibers for sale. And they certainly were still full price.

Honestly though, they push Sig very hard. Every time I go to look at pistols one way or another the conversation turns to how Sig is just the best option. That in and of itself makes me suspicious because they are obviously being told to or incetivised somehow to hard sell them. Much like Vortex in years past, or maybe today, IDK because I don't talk to Scheels people about optics any longer.

 

[Reddish]

I stopped at Scheels two days ago and they had a variety of new and used 320s of all calibers for sale. And they certainly were still full price.

Honestly though, they push Sig very hard. Every time I go to look at pistols one way or another the conversation turns to how Sig is just the best option. That in and of itself makes me suspicious because they are obviously being told to or incetivised somehow to hard sell them. Much like Vortex in years past, or maybe today, IDK because I don't talk to Scheels people about optics any longer.

A friend used to work at Scheels and SIG has a very aggressive insentive program to get counter guys or gun shops to sell their products.

 

[fwafwow]

Update - I'm not selling my 320s (at least not yet), but I'm putting them in condition 3 and may no longer carry them, as I would have to change my training to carry in that condition.

New rabbit holes (I need something to spend time on):

• I'm revisiting the Staccato, and maybe the Oracle Arms 2311 (especially since I have lots of P320 mags)
• One gun theory -
  • Go with one of my other hammer-fired Sigs and just have multiples of those?
  • Go with the 2011 model and get rid of all of my other pistols?

 

[Bluumoon]

Update - I'm not selling my 320s (at least not yet), but I'm putting them in condition 3 and may no longer carry them, as I would have to change my training to carry in that condition.

New rabbit holes (I need something to spend time on):

• I'm revisiting the Staccato, and maybe the Oracle Arms 2311 (especially since I have lots of P320 mags)
• One gun theory -
  • Go with one of my other hammer-fired Sigs and just have multiples of those?
  • Go with the 2011 model and get rid of all of my other pistols?

You should pick up a platypus 2011 (glock mags) and test it for all of us. No idea if the Platypus are gtg or garbage.

 

[RockAndSage]

One gun theory -

• Go with one of my other hammer-fired Sigs and just have multiples of those?
• Go with the 2011 model and get rid of all of my other pistols?

Given you're framing these possibilities as questions...

There's a lot to be said for buying the absolute best you can afford, and not worrying about magazine compatibility or other legacy issues. Since you also framed that as "One gun theory", it also wouldn't make much sense to plan on having multiple hammer-fired Sigs, as one will pretty much last forever. If your goal is to absolutely maximize your capability as an on-demand shooter, with one supremely reliable and high-performance all-around handgun, just go with the best and don't let anything get in the way.

Form's various commentaries on the Staccatos - the newest Model C in particular - really make it hard to argue for anything else as part of a one-gun solution. His points about its reliability especially were eye-opening, in saying they've reached Glock-level reliability, and that he's shooting ~50k+ rounds per year out of his own Staccato without any hiccups. The only thing at all that is an asterisk is its proprietary mags, but they were designed as a reliability improvement and to decrease the size of the grip, so it looks win-win on that front.

There just aren't many options out there that have that level of reliability, especially combined with the high-performance shootability of a 1911, high-cap mags, and having been out there long enough to be proven durable. Especially for something that would also be an EDC/concealed carry gun. Anything else that comes close, like the Dan Wesson DWX Compact or Wilson's EDC X9 series, all seem to come with an asterisk or two, between things like form-factor for all-around, or teething problems with things like optics mounting or finish, or bigger issues like holster selection or parts availability, etc.

All told, it seems to me that the Staccato C would be the way to go. Just pick up plenty of mags with it at purchase, and don't look back.

 

[fwafwow]

Given you're framing these possibilities as questions...

Thanks - I did open it up, so I welcome the feedback. I should probably create a new thread though (after I check to see if I've already done that - the first/most recent time I started down this path).

There's a lot to be said for buying the absolute best you can afford, and not worrying about magazine compatibility or other legacy issues. Since you also framed that as "One gun theory", it also wouldn't make much sense to plan on having multiple hammer-fired Sigs, as one will pretty much last forever.

I should clarify my "one gun" concept is one *model* - but perhaps several of the same.

If your goal is to absolutely maximize your capability as an on-demand shooter, with one supremely reliable and high-performance all-around handgun, just go with the best and don't let anything get in the way.

Form's various commentaries on the Staccatos - the newest Model C in particular - really make it hard to argue for anything else as part of a one-gun solution. His points about its reliability especially were eye-opening, in saying they've reached Glock-level reliability, and that he's shooting ~50k+ rounds per year out of his own Staccato without any hiccups. The only thing at all that is an asterisk is its proprietary mags, but they were designed as a reliability improvement and to decrease the size of the grip, so it looks win-win on that front.

There just aren't many options out there that have that level of reliability, especially combined with the high-performance shootability of a 1911, high-cap mags, and having been out there long enough to be proven durable. Especially for something that would also be an EDC/concealed carry gun. Anything else that comes close, like the Dan Wesson DWX Compact or Wilson's EDC X9 series, all seem to come with an asterisk or two, between things like form-factor for all-around, or teething problems with things like optics mounting or finish, or bigger issues like holster selection or parts availability, etc.

All told, it seems to me that the Staccato C would be the way to go. Just pick up plenty of mags with it at purchase, and don't look back.

I'm with you on all of the above. The OA 2311 does take P320 mags, and appears to be slightly smaller, but the grip difference caught my attention. And magazine savings seems a minor point overall, especially since the 2311 is relatively new. But I do have a friend who knows one of the owners. (or the owner), which is how I was prompted to look at them.