1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[JF_Idaho]

There certainly were a lot of issues with people and 320’s- it is an unforgiving pistol of poor gun-handling. There were issues with holsters. If it weren’t for the initial drop firing issue, and the unforgiving nature of the pistol- I think it is very likely that the actual 1 in 1,000,000 pistols or whatever that have tolerance stacking and issues would have just been swept away as poor gun handling. But, with those- there are too many people watching for issues now.

Agreed. But I think even more than those things, them taking the stand they did with their "It Ends Today" campaign made it so much worse. They instantly became a meme "It NDs Today" and it drove way more scrutiny and backlash. Looks like rightfully so.

I sold my XTen shortly after the problems became apparent. Amazing shooting gun. It's really a shame.

 

[Formidilosus]

I was thinking it was the same with the hysteria, till this incident. I found out today, the thumb safety on the M17/18/320 isn’t really the same type safety I was thinking it was. Hopefully they can get it straight. But has anyone heard of any issues with the 365? I haven’t ? But it is a different system from what I have read…..thanks again for this thread.

The P365 is a completely different striker and trigger mechanism. They are fine.

 

[Formidilosus]

I was certainly one that dismissed the UD. Seems like several things would have to fail for it to happen, which seemed extremely unlikely to me, but wouldn't the first time I was wrong. In this case, being an M18, it had the addition of a manual safety, which would normally be engaged in a holster. Makes it even more strange.

Unfortunately it’s not several things that has to fail, just one. The P320 had a fully tensioned (cocked) striker. All that has to go wrong for the pistol to fire is for the lever holding the striker to move (IIRC only something like .003”). It is a very unforgiving design from multiple angles.

 

[Thegman]

Unfortunately it’s not several things that has to fail, just one. The P320 had a fully tensioned (cocked) striker. All that has to go wrong for the pistol to fire is for the lever holding the striker to move (IIRC only something like .003”). It is a very unforgiving design from multiple angles.

I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???

 

[Formidilosus]

I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???

The FBI BRF report is now public and explains part of the issue.


This video also does to an extent-

 

[Bowfinn]

I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???

Something I notice is that the Stryker blocks of those pistols (can even include Glock, M&P, and 365) they all appear similar in function and design. It’s the 320 that appears to be the different than the others.

 

[CaptArab]

2x Tisas Night Stalker 9mm’s. Functioned without issue, and shot well. About 25 yards-

This one needed a 6 o’clock hold with the issued sights.
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This one shot POA on the tip of the front sight- 96-2x
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I just wish it was rmr cut. Thinking about trying to have mine remilled

 

[Fatcamp]

I just with it was rmr cut. Thinking about trying to have mine remilled

What's the current cut?

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

The FBI BRF report is now public and explains part of the issue.


This video also does to an extent-

I think I'm more confused after that video and reading some "news" reports..is the FBI report public? All the pictures I'm seeing are a non-manual safety version but referred to as an "M18".

The Brower M1811 grip module is a huge improvement to my P320 M18 btw, appreciate the recommendation.



Don't mean to sidetrack this thread too much, happy to start a new one if necessary.

 

[Bowfinn]

I think I'm more confused after that video and reading some "news" reports..is the FBI report public? All the pictures I'm seeing are a non-manual safety version but referred to as an "M18".

The Brower M1811 grip module is a huge improvement to my P320 M18 btw, appreciate the recommendation.

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Don't mean to sidetrack this thread too much, happy to start a new one if necessary.

Here is an outdoor life link to the FBI report. The screenshot is the conclusion with the hi-lighted portion specifically regarding their findings on the Stryker safety lock of that 320.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

 

[Formidilosus]

I think I'm more confused after that video and reading some "news" reports..is the FBI report public? All the pictures I'm seeing are a non-manual safety version but referred to as an "M18".

The Brower M1811 grip module is a huge improvement to my P320 M18 btw, appreciate the recommendation.

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Don't mean to sidetrack this thread too much, happy to start a new one if necessary.

The thumb safety has nothing to do with the issue. It does not preclude the striker releasing at all.

 

[Undrcoverrednek]

Looks like Tisas discontinued most of the 9mm single stacks. Anything else out there comparable to the B9R single stack?

 

[CaptArab]

What's the current cut?

Whatever holosun this is. I'd rather have good irons and go that route if not the sro.

The Knoxville import company sells it with rmr cut. I'd should have bought that one but didn't know better.

 

[Thegman]

Here is an outdoor life link to the FBI report. The screenshot is the conclusion with the hi-lighted portion specifically regarding their findings on the Stryker safety lock of that 320.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

Sorry to derail further, but...

This makes more sense than most of what I've heard. The striker block safety -has- to have function issues for this to be an actual issue. A slipping sear in and of itself can't be the whole issue, only part of the issue. Guys showing a P320 go "click" doesn't mean the pistol in question would actually have fired...unless the SBS also failed.

What seems strange is that this doesn't seem to have been replicated on pistols that have already had such an apparent issue. I suppose extremely intermittent/unusual conditions that affect the SBS could be part of that.

 

[Fatcamp]

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Whatever holosun this is. I'd rather have good irons and go that route if not the sro.

The Knoxville import company sells it with rmr cut. I'd should have bought that one but didn't know better.

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

 

[kad11]

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

Military Armament Corp

 

[CaptArab]

Ya, I think there should be something to ID on the other side.

My tisas has the EPS carry. Too small for me. But I'm still used to the Glock grip so if index was ideal maybe it would be fine IDK. I also had to get a special adapter for the x300 because the tisas rail spacing is stupid.

I can't find that company. Do they go by another name?

I misspoke this is aos cut not straight rmr.

MAC 9 DS

The MAC 9 DS is a forged steel, double stack 9mm 1911 with AOS optics plate, bull barrel, and upgraded controls—ideal for defense, duty, or range use.

sdsarms.com

Still better than rmr-cc or whatever mine is.
Cone barrel too which is nice. I think they even use a normal rail spacing for x300s.

Military Armament Corp 1911MAC 9 DS 9mm 4.25" Barrel 17-Rounds

The Military Armament Corp 1911MAC in 9mm combines classic styling with modern performance enhancements in a battle-ready, optics-ready platform. Featuring a 4.25-inch 416 stainless steel match-grade barrel, engraved walnut grips, and a rugged QPQ Tenifer finish, this semi-auto 1911 delivers...

grabagun.com

Mine fits perfectly in tenicor 19/2011 holsters.

Here's the tisas adapter for the x300-

Tisas B9R DS Light Adapters - QVO Tactical, LLC

So you picked up a budget 2011 and realized you can't run a full-sized weapon light? Don't worry we did the same but we designed a solution so that we could run lights like the SureFire X300u A & B models, Streamlight TLR-1 and Holosun PID. Our CAD designed light keys will allow you to easily...

qvotactical.com

 

[Dobermann]

Looks like Tisas discontinued most of the 9mm single stacks. Anything else out there comparable to the B9R single stack?

Hmm ... their website is showing at least 5 offerings: https://tisasusa.com/categories/1911-pistols/1911-single-stack.html?_bc_fsnf=1&Caliber=9MM

Although it looks like each one is showing as out of stock on that site, so not sure what that means ...

 

[sz28]

Looks like Tisas discontinued most of the 9mm single stacks. Anything else out there comparable to the B9R single stack?

The threaded barrel nightstalker can be found for less than $550 currently. The non threaded/non optic cut for less than $500.

 

[fwafwow]

The Sig P320 wouldn’t be an option at this point.

Sorry to be also behind in the news. I’m trying to catch up. Not to parse your words, but does “at this point” meaning based on the information known so far but possibly to change with more info? Or are you less optimistic?