16 inch Barrel Comparison - 22CM, 6CM, 6UM

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I don’t know if anyone wants this, but I spent a lot of time thinking on it and decided to write it up.

I wanted to compare bullet options across the 22 Creedmoor, 6 Creedmoor, and 6UM for my preference for a 16 inch barrel. Categories that interested me were range at 1800 fps, wind number, recoil, and danger zone. I found the concept of recoil efficiency from solarshooter really interesting, and I included his awesome chart.

To start, I pulled the book max for each round with the expected velocity from a 24 inch barrel. I subtracted 30 per inch for the estimation for a 16 inch barrel. I then combed through rokslide looking for load data for 16 inch barrels with measured MV.

I ran ballistic calculators off the loads I found on rokslide rather than the ideal from book max as it seemed the actual speeds were generally lower (especially in the 22CM). I first did this in Hornady 4DOF at 5000 feet. I then did JBM Calculator which also provided danger space on a 10 inch target at 500 yards.

The results were drastically different making me think I did something wrong in JBM, and I’d love to see if someone can pick up my mistake. If nothing else, the results were proportional throughout the calibers, so still useful as a comparison.

Finally, I ran recoil numbers using an 8lb gun and charge weights based on what I found on rokslide.

I’m intrigued by the concept of the 22UM so I included the possibilities if Form gets close to his goal of 3500fps from a 20 inch barrel.

I started this expecting to see that the 88 ELDM from a 22 creedmoor would provide the optimal combination, but I was somewhat surprised to see that the 95TMK from a 6 creedmoor had a very slight increase in recoil with the same wind number and (depending on calculator) a better terminal range. I may even be underestimating the 95 TMK’s capabilities given that someone reported 3137 out of an 18 inch barrel which could mean that 3050fps+ is even possible. It was the only bullet where I found reports of an increase over book max - 240fps.

This mainly came down to the difference between book ideal and actual results with a 16 inch 22 creedmoor for the 88 ELDM. I included mwoolsey5’s chart on powders and pressures for 16 inch barrels in a 22 creedmoor which was another source I leaned on. I assume a cartridge this overbore suffers more as length decreases. This seems to apply to the 6UM as well.

I’m curious if anyone has seen better results than I found with a 16 inch 22CM. Otherwise, my conclusion would be to say that the 95TMK in a 6 creedmoor is ideal for 0-600yd hunting in a 16 inch barrel.

The 22UM feels like the Holy Grail if it even comes close to the goal. That said, with how much the 22CM seems to suffers from decrease in length, I would guess that the 22UM would be even more dramatic.

Final caveat: I’ve read a whole lot more than I’ve shot or reloaded. This is almost entirely theoretical. Any of these weapon systems would outperform my abilities. I’m hoping at the S2HU course this summer, I can start to bring my capability a little closer to taking advantage of any of this.
 

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Real world, broken in,16” 8 twist barrel shooting 80 ELDX. 22 Creed. First firing on this brass so might speed up. Averages around 3125 for most 10-30 shot groups.

Just some more data for you to use if needed.

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The difference in performance is so minimal, but the effect of recoil between the 22 creed and 6 UM is more if you have compromised shooting positions in the field. That is what is more significant…
 
The difference in performance is so minimal, but the effect of recoil between the 22 creed and 6 UM is more if you have compromised shooting positions in the field. That is what is more significant…
I know the 22 creed to 6UM would be a huge jump in recoil, but how different is a 22 creed to 6 creed in real life? I’ve never actually shot a 22 creed to compare to my 6 creed
 
I know the 22 creed to 6UM would be a huge jump in recoil, but how different is a 22 creed to 6 creed in real life? I’ve never actually shot a 22 creed to compare to my 6 creed
Come shoot! We have multiple of each in different stock configs to compare.

It’s nice this time of year in AZ 😎
 
Consistent with @mxgsfmdpx, seems the
There is a direct flight from Anchorage…🤔
Come on down, it’s in the 70s! I will provide the ammo.

Do you have the load data you collected? I might use it for testing.

There are barrels in 14, 16, 18, and 20” 22 creed…

The green fluted is 6 PRC. The green barreled action is 16” 6 creed.

I will have a lot more data to put together this spring, real world data to answer that question.

Been selling a lot of 22 creed and 6 creed Tikka prefits. Just ordered another 50 or so…

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I know the 22 creed to 6UM would be a huge jump in recoil, but how different is a 22 creed to 6 creed in real life? I’ve never actually shot a 22 creed to compare to my 6 creed
The recoil difference is minimal, but in compromised field positions it can effect group size and spotting shots. So, get shooting and it won’t make a difference to you.

@mxgsfmdpx don’t notice the difference, but he is much better than me.
 
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