Zulu6 Pro 50 vs Kite APC 50

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Has anyone had a chance to do any side by side comparisons with the new Sig Zulu6 hdx Pro 50mm OIS? Perhaps compared with the Kite APC 50 or even the previous model Zulu6 HDX 16x42, or Canon 15x50?

I currently have a Zulu6 HDX 10x30 and 16x42. I had a chance to pit them against my Meopta Meostar 15x56 binos last week during some long glassing sessions. In the end, I ended up packing both a set of OIS and the Meopta... because they both have their strengths. I'm hoping that an upgraded OIS might come closer to being a better replacement/do-it-all...

The 10 and 16X Zulu6 were great for windy conditions mounted on my tripod. There came a point during one afternoon session that the wind really picked up, and I was no longer able to use the Meopta effectively with the vibration induced by the wind. But the OIS binos worked under those conditions.

The Zulu6 were great during my hikes to and from glassing spots. I could either hand hold or mount on my monopod trekking staff and look quickly at anything that caught my eye. The Meopta on the other hand, was not useful unless completely stationary with the tripod legs deployed. Just too heavy to hold steady enough, even on the monopod.

The Zulu6 was better during glassing session periods when I was trying to grid a hillside quickly using the tripod, because when moving from one scanned area to the next, the image stayed viewable during that brief transition. The Meopta on the other hand was only useful when completely static and not moving, or even being touched (I have a fairly lightweight tripod, so I get movement from touching it, so I usually glass only after I've stopped touching it.)

The Meopta was far better in low-light. Even mid afternoon cloudy conditions made a huge difference for my eyes. The hillside still was bright and easy to see with the Meoptas, where the Zulu6 was dull and I had to give my eyes time to adjust to changing light conditions. Once the sun went down, the Zulu6 quickly lost its value... whereas the Meopta was viewable 40 minutes after sunset.

The Meopta had better pin point resolution than the Zulu6. There were details I could resolve on a hillside nearly 2 miles away with the Meopta that I could hardly see with the 16x42. Its also difficult to describe, but with the wider field of view of the Meopta, the image felt more magnified... it felt closer than looking through the 16x42.

The Meopta was far easier on my eyes to just look through for extended periods of time. My eyes felt tired after just a few minutes of looking through the OIS binos.

Anyway... these are just a few of my amateur observations. If a new OIS bino had better low light performance, was easier on the eyes to look through, and had a bit better resolution... I think it could replace my Meopta binos... which would save a couple pounds of weight. That would be great... but is that asking too much of these OIS binos?
 

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Check my post history - I took pics of new 18x50 vs previous gen 16x42. So far the 18’s suck and they’ve gone back to sig for warranty inspection.

I’ll update my post when Sig gives me a finding.

Other than low light sucking with the previous gen Zulu6, they’re my go to for pretty much everything except ranging. Even when I have access to Swaro BTX and ELs. Just the easy button.
 

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Has anyone had a chance to do any side by side comparisons with the new Sig Zulu6 hdx Pro 50mm OIS? Perhaps compared with the Kite APC 50 or even the previous model Zulu6 HDX 16x42, or Canon 15x50?

I currently have a Zulu6 HDX 10x30 and 16x42. I had a chance to pit them against my Meopta Meostar 15x56 binos last week during some long glassing sessions. In the end, I ended up packing both a set of OIS and the Meopta... because they both have their strengths. I'm hoping that an upgraded OIS might come closer to being a better replacement/do-it-all...

The 10 and 16X Zulu6 were great for windy conditions mounted on my tripod. There came a point during one afternoon session that the wind really picked up, and I was no longer able to use the Meopta effectively with the vibration induced by the wind. But the OIS binos worked under those conditions.

The Zulu6 were great during my hikes to and from glassing spots. I could either hand hold or mount on my monopod trekking staff and look quickly at anything that caught my eye. The Meopta on the other hand, was not useful unless completely stationary with the tripod legs deployed. Just too heavy to hold steady enough, even on the monopod.

The Zulu6 was better during glassing session periods when I was trying to grid a hillside quickly using the tripod, because when moving from one scanned area to the next, the image stayed viewable during that brief transition. The Meopta on the other hand was only useful when completely static and not moving, or even being touched (I have a fairly lightweight tripod, so I get movement from touching it, so I usually glass only after I've stopped touching it.)

The Meopta was far better in low-light. Even mid afternoon cloudy conditions made a huge difference for my eyes. The hillside still was bright and easy to see with the Meoptas, where the Zulu6 was dull and I had to give my eyes time to adjust to changing light conditions. Once the sun went down, the Zulu6 quickly lost its value... whereas the Meopta was viewable 40 minutes after sunset.

The Meopta had better pin point resolution than the Zulu6. There were details I could resolve on a hillside nearly 2 miles away with the Meopta that I could hardly see with the 16x42. Its also difficult to describe, but with the wider field of view of the Meopta, the image felt more magnified... it felt closer than looking through the 16x42.

The Meopta was far easier on my eyes to just look through for extended periods of time. My eyes felt tired after just a few minutes of looking through the OIS binos.

Anyway... these are just a few of my amateur observations. If a new OIS bino had better low light performance, was easier on the eyes to look through, and had a bit better resolution... I think it could replace my Meopta binos... which would save a couple pounds of weight. That would be great... but is that asking too much of these OIS binos?
I’m looking for the same thing, I haven’t ordered them yet but thinking the 16x50s will be closer to what I want. They are much larger and heavier than the x42s from what I understand, still lighter than the 12x50s I happily carried.
 
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Well, my fantastic wife surprised me by picking up a pair of 16x50 zulu6 binos at a local sporting goods store. Long story short... they will be going back.

Last night I was able to put them against my 16x42 zulu6 and my Meopta 15x56. Looking at a house a bit over a mile away, I was easily able to resolve details with both the 16x42 and the 15x56 that I could not with the 16x50. And to my eye, the 16x42 seemed even brighter than the 16x50... which makes ZERO sense, but there it was. I also found the diopter on the right eye lense was difficult to get into proper focus for my eye, and actually bottomed out in its travel. Something about the alignment of the two ocular lenses made it very difficult to find a sweet spot for the distance between them. As for the new "omniscan" feature... totally garbage in my opinion... I found the target mode on the previous 16x42 was noticeably more stable, and the regular setting on the 16x42 was only a hair less stable than the new stable mode on the PRO. Oh, and if you think that twisting in the battery covers on the original models was a pain... the new one is worse. Plus, it's heavy enough that hand holding for long periods would be an issue... yet no way to mount to a tripod (and I get that the previous Gen didn't have way either, but there are good after market options).

Honestly, I think SIG really dropped the ball on this one...

far heavier than the previous 16x42
More batteries to carry/replace
Less resolution
Seemed darker inspite of bigger objective
More finicky ocular adjustment
Lost the super stable "Target" mode (less stabilized than previous model)

Oh, and seriously... why AAs? Can we get out of the 1980s yet? There are way better option for battery storage than double A's. And make the dang thing Rechargeable via USBC! Why is that so hard?

Anyway, I hope someone else has some feedback about other alternatives like the Kite APC 50... I'd really like something with more light gathering ability that could make me want to leave my Meopta binos home...

As for now, just trying to decide whether I need to make a "public service" youtube video about these Zulu6 Pro binos before I take them back (store has a generous return policy, so I'll let them deal with SIG). I can't find any videos about these that are highlighting the issues I was having with these Pro binos right out of the box.
 

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Well, my fantastic wife surprised me by picking up a pair of 16x50 zulu6 binos at a local sporting goods store. Long story short... they will be going back.

Last night I was able to put them against my 16x42 zulu6 and my Meopta 15x56. Looking at a house a bit over a mile away, I was easily able to resolve details with both the 16x42 and the 15x56 that I could not with the 16x50. And to my eye, the 16x42 seemed even brighter than the 16x50... which makes ZERO sense, but there it was. I also found the diopter on the right eye lense was difficult to get into proper focus for my eye, and actually bottomed out in its travel. Something about the alignment of the two ocular lenses made it very difficult to find a sweet spot for the distance between them. As for the new "omniscan" feature... totally garbage in my opinion... I found the target mode on the previous 16x42 was noticeably more stable, and the regular setting on the 16x42 was only a hair less stable than the new stable mode on the PRO. Oh, and if you think that twisting in the battery covers on the original models was a pain... the new one is worse. Plus, it's heavy enough that hand holding for long periods would be an issue... yet no way to mount to a tripod (and I get that the previous Gen didn't have way either, but there are good after market options).

Honestly, I think SIG really dropped the ball on this one...

far heavier than the previous 16x42
More batteries to carry/replace
Less resolution
Seemed darker inspite of bigger objective
More finicky ocular adjustment
Lost the super stable "Target" mode (less stabilized than previous model)

Oh, and seriously... why AAs? Can we get out of the 1980s yet? There are way better option for battery storage than double A's. And make the dang thing Rechargeable via USBC! Why is that so hard?

Anyway, I hope someone else has some feedback about other alternatives like the Kite APC 50... I'd really like something with more light gathering ability that could make me want to leave my Meopta binos home...

As for now, just trying to decide whether I need to make a "public service" youtube video about these Zulu6 Pro binos before I take them back (store has a generous return policy, so I'll let them deal with SIG). I can't find any videos about these that are highlighting the issues I was having with these Pro binos right out of the box.

Do it. I’ll continue recommending the Sig 42’s. But I’ll post honest reviews for the community good. Too often people waste money based on mega corporation promises.

Do better Sig. I’m curious what Sig says about mine. They asked for a comparative photo to enable an rma. I assume my photo was deemed unexpected and that they expect the 50’s to actually be better glass.
 

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Do it. I’ll continue recommending the Sig 42’s. But I’ll post honest reviews for the community good. Too often people waste money based on mega corporation promises.

Do better Sig. I’m curious what Sig says about mine. They asked for a comparative photo to enable an rma. I assume my photo was deemed unexpected and that they expect the 50’s to actually be better glass.
Between you and packgoat I’m wondering if they have a QA issue or if they just missed the mark. I’m not ready to order a pair myself to find out.

S&s put out an article that seems to indicate some kind of improved low light performance

 
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Between you and packgoat I’m wondering if they have a QA issue or if they just missed the mark. I’m not ready to order a pair myself to find out.

S&s put out an article that seems to indicate some kind of improved low light performance

As I read that article, they don't say they actually experienced better low light performance, just that the coatings should provide better low light performance... they are basically repeating what Sig is advertising.
 

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As I read that article, they don't say they actually experienced better low light performance, just that the coatings should provide better low light performance... they are basically repeating what Sig is advertising.
Yeah you’re right. I’m gonna wait to hear how your situation turns out. I really want them to be better.
 

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As I read that article, they don't say they actually experienced better low light performance, just that the coatings should provide better low light performance... they are basically repeating what Sig is advertising.

Yep - hard to trust retailers trying to move these things.

I bought mine from [mention]Camera Land [/mention] I’m sure they’ll take care of me if these Sigs in fact do not meet advertised performance.
 

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Update here - long story short, Sig knows these are trash and will tell you to pound sand.
 
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I've been out if town, so not sure if my wife returned the 16x Pro pair I tried out last week. I haven't had a chance to give them another test. But, my (albeit brief) side by side comparison between the Pro 16x and my regular zulu6 16x was that the regular was actually brighter than the Pro... in low light which just doesn't make sense with the bigger objective... but that's what my eye saw. The resolution was definitely better with the regular model. Extremely frustrating. It's almost like Sig is trying to pull a fast one... they need to recall the whole lot and start over...or they are going to lose a lot of customers.
 
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