Youth rifle stock ideas (edited)

[cuerro viejo]

Sig cross or any adjustable stock chassis is best option, but I will say a suppressor is probably the single best thing you can buy

My daughter been shooting cross 6.5cm since she was 8, it does have a AB raptor 8 can.

Ideal world 223 in a chassis to shoot a lot with and 6 CM on a same platform to hunt with.

 

[Ridge Ghost]

I went through this last year with my ten year old daughter. I got her a Tikka Compact in 223, and had the gunsmith chop the barrel to 16.5" and thread for a suppressor. She loves it, and so do I. Although she is small for her age, recoil is next to nothing. She is all smiles when shooting it. She can shoot extended sessions at the range without flinching or developing bad habits.

She shot her first deer last year with a factory Black Hills 77g TMK. It caused plenty of damage, and the deer trotted 40 yards before piling up.

 

[BREAKCONTACT]

My "ego" is not involved in my decision making for my child. I'm not interested in caliber selections. I'm interested in stock suggestions, platforms, chassis. I'm not against the tikka. It's an option . Anyone putting a magnum in a kid's hands to learn is an idiot and you need to talk to them about their "ego"

16" barrel 6 arc upper build. You probably already have a lower that can be used, faxon makes a pretty lightweight barrel, throw a light handguard on it and you're done for a fraction of the price and you have and adjustable stock platform you already had and when he's older you can build and spec a bigger caliber rifle.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

My "ego" is not involved in my decision making for my child. I'm not interested in caliber selections. I'm interested in stock suggestions, platforms, chassis. I'm not against the tikka. It's an option . Anyone putting a magnum in a kid's hands to learn is an idiot and you need to talk to them about their "ego"

You weren't quoted boss.

 

[SloppyJ]

How is that 12.5" lop on him with the tikka?

He's been strictly shooting it off of a tripod so he's been able to manipulate it a bit more but it hasn't bothered him. I think it's a bit long for him right now but I imagine within a year or so it will be perfect. When he and his little brother outgrow it, it will be a dedicated truck gun. It's a sweet setup.

 

[Prestjd]

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16" barrel 6 arc upper build. You probably already have a lower that can be used, faxon makes a pretty lightweight barrel, throw a light handguard on it and you're done for a fraction of the price and you have and adjustable stock platform you already had and when he's older you can build and spec a bigger caliber rifle.

I have a 6x45mm he can use. I just want to start him on a bolt gun for now. When he gets a little older I'll let him shoot , build his own.

 

[Prestjd]

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You weren't quoted boss.

I didn't say I was. I put quotation marks to "quote" the word that was written.

 

[BREAKCONTACT]

I have a 6x45mm he can use. I just want to start him on a bolt gun for now. When he gets a little older I'll let him shoot , build his own.

It's easy enough to turn it into a straight pull then, take out gas tube and turn the gasblock if it's not pinned. That sounds like an ideal first cartridge to work with, but if you're itching to get another addition to the safe, have at it.

 

[Prestjd]

You're right, and if I put together a gun or buy one that doesn't fit him comfortably, that maybe what I'll do. I have a handful of ar rifles and pistol combinations in multiple caliber that would all be little no to no recoil with a can that would all be effective.

I'm wanting a lightweight , short bolt gun to shoot suppressed that is be very simular to the bolt action 22 lr he is familiar with. But I'll just have to see how he does.

It's easy enough to turn it into a straight pull then, take out gas tube and turn the gasblock if it's not pinned. That sounds like an ideal first cartridge to work with, but if you're itching to get another addition to the safe, have at it.

 

[Prestjd]

I do apologize if I came off as a dick to anyone. But I just didn't want this to come off as a caliber pissing contest.

I just want to hear any gun builds revolving around light and short lop gun builds as well as youth, compact guns. I am definitely a fan of the tikka compact.

I enjoy reading, hearing others experiences and opinions. I appreciate all the feedback back

 

[Ucsdryder]

I'm definitely interested in your build. That 25 prc looks appealing. Have you considered a different caliber

The Xlr is pretty sweet for a crossover rifle, it’ll be super light as well. I went magnesium with the carbon grip and butt stock. Without the folder attached, it’s 12.5” LOP, with the folder adapter it’s 13.75” and fits me perfect…

I also bought the tr2 stock which adds some weight and more adjustability.

She’s killed a pile of deer, elk, and antelope the last 2 years with my 7saum shooting 180 eldms, so I have no doubt the 134s will shoot like a dream for her.

The trijicon credo 2.5-15 shows up today. Just waiting on the barrel to get to the gunsmith!

 

[Ucsdryder]

put your ego aside for a minute. this is about getting kids to have fun shooting, creating lifelong memories and making sure we have enough future voters to preserve hunting and shooting in this country. @eric1115 did a great job describing his kids experiences in the kids rifle manifesto - and his observations match mine.

I recently had to help a couple guys from church with their kids who developed a sudden fear/dislike of shooting. One of the guys "kid" rifle was a 7mm mag with a muzzle break, a step down from the 30 hart he personally likes to shoot. These kids were literally hiding behind their dad and asking if the 223 was going to hurt when we were getting set up. They refused to shoot until they saw my 2 boys and their dad shoot.

Then, like magic, 2 shots in with the 223 they were all smiles and disappointed that I'd brought "only" 200 rounds. One other buddy can't even get his kids to come to the range anymore, they got whacked by full power 20 gauge shells around 6 years old and that was that. We're currently on a propaganda effort to get my kids to convince them that shooting can actually be fun so we can reintroduce them to suppressed 22s and 223s. I'm highly confident that once we get them to take the first shot they'll be hooked.

Ego? We all know, there’s a handful of experts on here that spew the same garbage on every thread that mentions the word rifle. He already said he didn’t want a 223 then you start with the tell me which picture is which crap that you’ve done a bunch of times. It’s condescending.

 

[BREAKCONTACT]

You're right, and if I put together a gun or buy one that doesn't fit him comfortably, that maybe what I'll do. I have a handful of ar rifles and pistol combinations in multiple caliber that would all be little no to no recoil with a can that would all be effective.

I'm wanting a lightweight , short bolt gun to shoot suppressed that is be very simular to the bolt action 22 lr he is familiar with. But I'll just have to see how he does.

It's all good man, I'm just speaking from experience of teaching new people to shoot, kids and adults, the ar is always the next rifle someone gets taught after the .22, the near zero recoil then being smoothed out by the semi auto function makes it the logical choice, and if that's how the progression has gone with his shooting, it might be the platform he's most comfortable with.

 

[ElPollo]

Ego? We all know, there’s a handful of experts on here that spew the same garbage on every thread that mentions the word rifle. He already said he didn’t want a 223 then you start with the tell me which picture is which crap that you’ve done a bunch of times. It’s condescending.

Just an observation that is not intended to be personal. You used to post good stuff on this forum, but lately you just seem to be annoyed with stuff others post.

 

[Prestjd]

Sig cross or any adjustable stock chassis is best option, but I will say a suppressor is probably the single best thing you can buy

My daughter been shooting cross 6.5cm since she was 8, it does have a AB raptor 8 can.

Ideal world 223 in a chassis to shoot a lot with and 6 CM on a same platform to hunt with.

That's what I'm looking for. Is there a lightweight adjustable stock that fits small kids well?

 

[cuerro viejo]

That's what I'm looking for. Is there a lightweight adjustable stock that fits small kids well?

Any of the chassis’s do well, it just comes down to price point & weight.

XLR is hard to beat as a chassis

Sig cross is a really good platform. You can change barrels pretty easy. I also like the 2 stage trigger in the Sig, its an easy process flow when you are teaching them to slowly find “back wall”, then pull throw

 

[Ucsdryder]

It's all good man, I'm just speaking from experience of teaching new people to shoot, kids and adults, the ar is always the next rifle someone gets taught after the .22, the near zero recoil then being smoothed out by the semi auto function makes it the logical choice, and if that's how the progression has gone with his shooting, it might be the platform he's most comfortable with.

You’re spot on. I just stay out of a lot of sub forums now where certain people reside but every once in a while I snap.

Make rokslide great again.

 

[Marty]

Cut a stock to fit him and mount the scope with him in place so eye relief is correct.

How big is your 8 year old?

You could buy a Boyd’s laminate and lighten it up. Save the wood cut offs or once he starts to grow, add an adjustable butt pad. Cutting off a big chunk of the butt will lighten it.

Buying a new stock is cheaper than a new rifle.

Reality, get him a .223 and let him shoot tons of cheap ammo with a suppressor. The Howa Mini is a nice little action for kids to run.

One of my kiddos has a 6ARC in a Howa Mini. He’s got hits out to 589 yards and wants to get out to 1k this summer. (Shooting 108 ELD-Ms).

With a collapsible AR buttock, it’s easy to adjust the LOP to his preference as he grows.

 

[Formidilosus]

My son turns 8 this summer, I plan to spend a lot of time with on a bench with a bolt 22 lr this summer.

I have a rugar american and a savage, both in .308 bolt face that i could have a carbon barrel but need a short stock suggestion.

I thought about just ordering him a compact tikka. How's the 12.5in lop on a short but broad shouldered 8 year old?

The Kids rifle manifesto thread has a bunch of good details about the below.

My group and I have taught a bunch of kids to shoot and hunt. The biggest thing that we have seen is to get a rifle that they themselves can handle everything on- no one wants someone else to carry the rifle, load the rifle, set it on a tripod, adjust it- dang near aim it for them; and then they just pull a trigger.

The issue with Savage is the bolt lift and binding. Small/weak people have problems with actually running the gun themselves. The American is a bit better, but suffers from poor stocks and general quality. The Howa Mini is excellent sized, but the bolt lift and binding is a problem. Chassis are fine for tripod shifting- but you run into the whole “can’t use and manipulate the rifle themselves” scenario. It also complicates the manual of arms/gunnhandling- primarily racking the bolt and safety manipulation.
Not one kid we have seen chooses any chassis rifle when they are all laid in front of them with cases of ammo. The most chosen rifle is the Tikka T1x followed by a T3 compact in a ROKStok, then just the compact- both in the least recoiling chambering.


The Tikka Compact is the best overall option out there. Take the recoil pad off and glue a flip flop on it and you can get it to about 12” LOP or under. You do want to swap the grip to the vertical grip module, and I would also use bondo/whatever to build of the front of the grip to decrease the trigger reach. A chop to 16” barrel and a good suppressor makes the rifle near ideal.

Kids that are ready to hunt can handle and manipulate the above combo totally on their own without help, and without constant struggle- that matters.

 

[Prestjd]

The Kids rifle manifesto thread has a bunch of good details about the below.

My group and I have taught a bunch of kids to shoot and hunt. The biggest thing that we have seen is to get a rifle that they themselves can handle everything on- no one wants someone else to carry the rifle, load the rifle, set it on a tripod, adjust it- dang near aim it for them; and then they just pull a trigger.

The issue with Savage is the bolt lift and binding. Small/weak people have problems with actually running the gun themselves. The American is a bit better, but suffers from poor stocks and general quality. The Howa Mini is excellent sized, but the bolt lift and binding is a problem. Chassis are fine for tripod shifting- but you run into the whole “can’t use and manipulate the rifle themselves” scenario. It also complicates the manual of arms/gunnhandling- primarily racking the bolt and safety manipulation.
Not one kid we have seen chooses any chassis rifle when they are all laid in front of them with cases of ammo. The most chosen rifle is the Tikka T1x followed by a T3 compact in a ROKStok, then just the compact- both in the least recoiling chambering.


The Tikka Compact is the best overall option out there. Take the recoil pad off and glue a flip flop on it and you can get it to about 12” LOP or under. You do want to swap the grip to the vertical grip module, and I would also use bondo/whatever to build of the front of the grip to decrease the trigger reach. A chop to 16” barrel and a good suppressor makes the rifle near ideal.

Kids that are ready to hunt can handle and manipulate the above combo totally on their own without help, and without constant struggle- that matters.

I do plan to have a 16 to 18in barrel suppressed. I agree on the savage action not being kid friendly. My ruger action is smoother(polished) but barely.
I'd love to find a couple rokstoks, they seem to be amazing.
I have to agree on the stock over chasis from what little experiences i have with chasis.
I definitely don't want to limit my son to just shooting on a tripod. He's going to have to carry his gun, load it, unload it, and hopefully pick up his brass .