Youth elk rifle/cartridge combo

[eric1115]

I’m not familiar at with the 77 TMK. I’ll have to do some research.

That question was directed at @BuckSmasher, who has repeatedly now called out the .22 cal bullets as categorically unethical and a bad choice. I have a guess but I am curious to know what he bases his opinion on. Those of us who actually have experience with this bullet generally don't find it to be marginal, unethical, or ineffective. It's worth noting that a .223 with mono (like TSX, etc) or hard bonded bullets like Accubonds are very much not what we're recommending generally. The Sierra 77 TMK is the bullet for rifles chambered in .2235.56.

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Thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Jun 3, 2019

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET.

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“Bullets matter more than headstamps.”

“Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”.

I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened.

The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223 is where I ended up after many discussions and objective data regarding bullet performance and numerous pics of field results.

Now for the delivery system. Accurate. Repeatable. Reliable. Reasonable weight to afford steady shot placement and the ability to spot my own impacts...

• PNWGATOR
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This is the thread a few of us have referred to where lots of data and photos are provided. It's a master class in terminal performance and well worth the read even if you decide not to hunt with that bullet.

 

[Tmac]

If you are not comfortable with the smaller .22 and .24 cartridges, the 6.5 Creedmore would be a good choice. Especially with a good suppressor to help mitigate felt recoil. Since you handload I’d suggest a 120 - 130 grain cup and core bullet loaded to moderate velocity to further help reduce recoil. Set a moderate max shot distance and go hunt.

My grandson will be using a suppressed 6mm ARC on his first elk hunt this season. Virtually no felt recoil. Seems like less felt recoil than an unsuppressed 223 to me.

Another grand killed his first elk with a 223 & 77 TMK a couple years back. One shot dropped it in its tracks. The terminal performance was no different to my eye from his older brothers elk the day before shot with 270 Win and 140 gr Trophy Bonded Tipped bullets. Both elk from nearly the same distance and same shot placement.

 

[coloradodrifter]

From my experience with my oldest daughter, with what ever gun/cartridge you choose, buy a lot of ammo and practice from field shooting positions. My daughter was 12 when she shot her first buck. The problem is I let life get in the way during that summer and didn’t take her out shooting nearly enough. On opening day we got to about 80 yards from a group of deer with a little buck in it. The shot was down hill over the top of some oak brush so no option to other than a standing shot off shooting sticks. She had never practiced that shot before. She shot and made a perfect hit. She got kind of excited then started crying. I thought she was just getting emotional until she grabbed her face. She got scoped pretty good and had a black eye with in minutes. She has not shot a rifle since and has no interest in doing so (she’s in college now). She was shooting a 7mm-08 with 120g Barnes loaded down with a cut down stock that fit her.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Think bullets, impact velocity, and minimum recoil. You should use 223 with 77 tmk if legal. If not, and you reload, 6x45 with 95 or 107 tmk. If you don't reload, 6 arc, 6 creed, or 243. Any of these should be suppressed.

My kids don't use a chassis, I basically home built a rokstock out of a Tikka compact stock for them before the rokstock was a thing.

6.5 Creed is too much recoil for a small kid who's already recoil shy, even with a can or a break.

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/6mm-243-hunting-success-on-big-game.284525/

Thread '6.5 Creedmoor/260 for Deer, Elk, and whatever else.....'

Dec 17, 2021

Seeing that the 223 thread is such a success, I thought maybe I would start one for the Creedmoor/260. Seems like people are asking a lot about using them and various bullets, especially for elk. I've used mine for the last few years almost exclusively. I have some pics of bullet damage, albeit not nearly as many as I should have, from a couple deer. I'll try to briefly describe the ones I don't have pics of.

If you have experiences, good or bad, post them up. Of course, pics are great, and add a lot of valuable information. Maybe it will take off, maybe it won't, but if it does it...

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[Forkasauras]

You need a cartridge with authority - JVB the wallop fairy

 

[Forkasauras]

We took 3 bulls last year with 109 eldms at 6 arc velocities. All died real quick in a hurry like. Just make sure she shoots a bunch prior to hitting the mountian.

 

[acmckeage03]

That question was directed at @BuckSmasher, who has repeatedly now called out the .22 cal bullets as categorically unethical and a bad choice. I have a guess but I am curious to know what he bases his opinion on. Those of us who actually have experience with this bullet generally don't find it to be marginal, unethical, or ineffective. It's worth noting that a .223 with mono (like TSX, etc) or hard bonded bullets like Accubonds are very much not what we're recommending generally. The Sierra 77 TMK is the bullet for rifles chambered in .2235.56.

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Thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Jun 3, 2019

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET.

---

“Bullets matter more than headstamps.”

“Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”.

I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened.

The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223 is where I ended up after many discussions and objective data regarding bullet performance and numerous pics of field results.

Now for the delivery system. Accurate. Repeatable. Reliable. Reasonable weight to afford steady shot placement and the ability to spot my own impacts...

• PNWGATOR
• Replies: 13,350
• Forum: Firearms

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This is the thread a few of us have referred to where lots of data and photos are provided. It's a master class in terminal performance and well worth the read even if you decide not to hunt with that bullet.

I didn’t take tha

From my experience with my oldest daughter, with what ever gun/cartridge you choose, buy a lot of ammo and practice from field shooting positions. My daughter was 12 when she shot her first buck. The problem is I let life get in the way during that summer and didn’t take her out shooting nearly enough. On opening day we got to about 80 yards from a group of deer with a little buck in it. The shot was down hill over the top of some oak brush so no option to other than a standing shot off shooting sticks. She had never practiced that shot before. She shot and made a perfect hit. She got kind of excited then started crying. I thought she was just getting emotional until she grabbed her face. She got scoped pretty good and had a black eye with in minutes. She has not shot a rifle since and has no interest in doing so (she’s in college now). She was shooting a 7mm-08 with 120g Barnes loaded down with a cut down stock that fit her.

Sorry to hear that outcome of that story…

 

[acmckeage03]

Think bullets, impact velocity, and minimum recoil. You should use 223 with 77 tmk if legal. If not, and you reload, 6x45 with 95 or 107 tmk. If you don't reload, 6 arc, 6 creed, or 243. Any of these should be suppressed.

My kids don't use a chassis, I basically home built a rokstock out of a Tikka compact stock for them before the rokstock was a thing.

6.5 Creed is too much recoil for a small kid who's already recoil shy, even with a can or a break.

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/6mm-243-hunting-success-on-big-game.284525/

Thread '6.5 Creedmoor/260 for Deer, Elk, and whatever else.....'

Dec 17, 2021

Seeing that the 223 thread is such a success, I thought maybe I would start one for the Creedmoor/260. Seems like people are asking a lot about using them and various bullets, especially for elk. I've used mine for the last few years almost exclusively. I have some pics of bullet damage, albeit not nearly as many as I should have, from a couple deer. I'll try to briefly describe the ones I don't have pics of.

If you have experiences, good or bad, post them up. Of course, pics are great, and add a lot of valuable information. Maybe it will take off, maybe it won't, but if it does it...

• woods89
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What changes did you make to your Tikka stock?

 

[wy_will]

I built my kids a custom 7mm-08 to start with. I’m using 118 Hammer HHT and it is .9” 10 group at 100, so it should work great.

A 6.5 prc with a 125 grain bullet does work awesome and my daughter shot one when she was 5 and she is small. It did have a brake though.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

What changes did you make to your Tikka stock?

Lots

Thread 'How I Modify My Tikka Factory Stocks'

Aug 10, 2023

This is the start to finish process I use on my tikka factory stocks to help them have a consistent POI and improve shootability. None of this is completely new information, but there are a few unique things I do, and this is a consolidation post.

This is stuff that I'm capable of doing to my personal possessions - if you try this and mess up your own stuff, that is on you. Step 1 is basically fool proof, even if you quit halfway through the stock will still function. The rest of the steps, once you start, your stock will not function until the step is finished.

Step 1: Free Float
Step...

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[Skerhunter]

What chassis did you build on? Are you saying 6.5CM is in adequate or that those other calibers just have better killing ability?

XLR element, mdt hnt26 in .224 and a ruger rmr 17hmr. Practice a lot with the .17, then everything is similar with the bigger guns, except safety location.

6.5 cal in light weight guns (light enough for young kids to handle themselves) have noticeably more recoil (2-3x more than other cals discussed previously). It makes follow up shots more difficult/slower, even for beginner adults. 6mm can be a bit much for some small shooters also. I can’t think of one good reason to use a 6.5mm over a 6mm/.224 for a kids hunt.

 

[Pharmseller]

Terminal range for this bullet is generally considered the range at which your velocity drops below 1800fps. Ethical range will be up to you or more correctly your daughters skill level with field positions. The biggest thing with a properly set up .223 is that it is fun for the kids to shoot. They aren't getting kicked silly with recoil, so they want to shoot and get better at their marksmanship. Also they are cheap for me to feed, so the kids get more reps in.

A mic drop post.