"You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

[260madman]

not sure I'm real thrilled with that yet

Blood will run through the streets, right? Criminals will carry no matter what so there’s nothing to lose by having permitless/constitutional carry. All I need for a permit is hunter’s safety and we don’t have issues in WI with the random carriers shooting people.

 

[BBob]

Blood will run through the streets, right? Criminals will carry no matter what so there’s nothing to lose by having permitless/constitutional carry. All I need for a permit is hunter’s safety and we don’t have issues in WI with the random carriers shooting people.

I think AZ was the second state (AK 1st?) to adopt constitutional carry in 2010 and to hear the anti's scream that we were all going to be shooting each other real soon turned out (as we knew it would) to be total nonsense.

 

[mossyoak52]

Blood will run through the streets, right? Criminals will carry no matter what so there’s nothing to lose by having permitless/constitutional carry. All I need for a permit is hunter’s safety and we don’t have issues in WI with the random carriers shooting people.

we have constitutional carry here in montana also but
still gives easier access for guys that shouldn't have guns to have guns private party sales here do not need a back ground check
which i feel if you have nothing to hide then gong through the process shouldn't be a problem
every fire arm i own has been bought through a local firearm dealer
after all the mass shootings i feel its time for a national back ground check and a ban on ar style rifles
flame away don't really care if we don't do anything then eventually
they will amend the 2nd to limit or ban private ownership all it will take is the right judge or enough outrage to get lawmakers to start squirming

 

[260madman]

we have constitutional carry here in montana also but
still gives easier access for guys that shouldn't have guns to have guns private party sales here do not need a back ground check
which i feel if you have nothing to hide then gong through the process shouldn't be a problem
every fire arm i own has been bought through a local firearm dealer
after all the mass shootings i feel its time for a national back ground check and a ban on ar style rifles
flame away don't really care if we don't do anything then eventually
they will amend the 2nd to limit or ban private ownership all it will take is the right judge or enough outrage to get lawmakers to start squirming

1. Constitutional carry does not give guys that shouldn’t have guns access to guns.

2. Background checks do nothing. Nothing to hide? Patriot Act.

3. Ban ARs? What‘s the compliance in NY and CT? LOL! There’s probably 75-100 million ARs in the US not including scary ”ghost gun 80% jig guns”.

It’s always take away rights from law abiding people. Here’s a rights issue for the lefts favorite people, i.e. jailbirds, if you’re a minor and convicted of a crime that would make you a prohibited person as an adult then you are prohibited for life. Closed records, shitty liberal judges and expungement prevent this so I have to give up my rights for a deranged lunatic known to be a menace so people can feel good? I don’t think so Tim.

 

[FLATHEAD]

The 2nd has already been infringed way too much.
Shall not be infringed means dont even go there.
AT ALL.
Enough.

 

[QuackAttack]

If his statement is true, what purpose do police assault rifles serve?

 

[WobblyKnees]

Canada has a 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.
Under our firearms regulation one CAN carry a firearm for personal self protection IF said persons life is under threat AND they receive permission from their CFO (Chief Firearms Officer).
Sadly, good luck obtaining the latter unless your a wealthy politician. It never happens.

So we are left with sport shooting and hunting. Up until Trudeau, we had all sorts of tactical rifle competitions across the country. He bartered with the provinces to get them on board with a ban but even the president of the Canada Police Chiefs association disagreed with that strawman solution so he used 'emergency powers' to enact an 'Order in Council' (which was solely meant for wartime responses) to pass a sweeping legislation criminalizing lawful gun owners over night. Now with a 2yeae amnesty where we cannot transport or shoot our rifles, but can either turn them for nothing or wait for the government to decide what they are willing to compensate us with.

All of this when not a single person has been killed by a legally owned AR style rifle in the history of Canada.

Every summer, more innocent people are killed by recreational watercraft than by so called and undefineable 'assault style rifles' since our countries founding.


Alas, you give a silver spoon fed inexperienced toddler unlimited power over a country, and it ***** the common man who can actually reason out their life's decisions.

Signed: a lawful competive shooter.

 

[Rob5589]

we have constitutional carry here in montana also but
still gives easier access for guys that shouldn't have guns to have guns private party sales here do not need a back ground check
which i feel if you have nothing to hide then gong through the process shouldn't be a problem
every fire arm i own has been bought through a local firearm dealer
after all the mass shootings i feel its time for a national back ground check and a ban on ar style rifles
flame away don't really care if we don't do anything then eventually
they will amend the 2nd to limit or ban private ownership all it will take is the right judge or enough outrage to get lawmakers to start squirming

Actually the way the 2A gets infringed is people believing that giving up some "low hanging fruit" will make the politicians go away and leave us alone. You can give in all you want, they won't be satisfied until every citizen is disarmed.

In comparison, if people "have nothing to hide" then why should they be concerned over 4th amendment violations? Or why "take the 5th" if you have done nothing wrong and again have nothing to hide?

The founders of the Constitution weren't ignorant, they anticipated situations like these when writing it; government overreach and infringement on the rights of it's populace.

If you feel an AR pattern rifle is too dangerous, don't own one. Same with standard capacity magazines and whatever else seems to be the "low hanging fruit" at the moment.

Cheers

 

[thinhorn_AK]

we have constitutional carry here in montana also but
still gives easier access for guys that shouldn't have guns to have guns private party sales here do not need a back ground check
which i feel if you have nothing to hide then gong through the process shouldn't be a problem
every fire arm i own has been bought through a local firearm dealer
after all the mass shootings i feel its time for a national back ground check and a ban on ar style rifles
flame away don't really care if we don't do anything then eventually
they will amend the 2nd to limit or ban private ownership all it will take is the right judge or enough outrage to get lawmakers to start squirming

What an embarrassing stance to take. Lol.

 

[mossyoak52]

Actually the way the 2A gets infringed is people believing that giving up some "low hanging fruit" will make the politicians go away and leave us alone. You can give in all you want, they won't be satisfied until every citizen is disarmed.

In comparison, if people "have nothing to hide" then why should they be concerned over 4th amendment violations? Or why "take the 5th" if you have done nothing wrong and again have nothing to hide?

The founders of the Constitution weren't ignorant, they anticipated situations like these when writing it; government overreach and infringement on the rights of it's populace.

If you feel an AR pattern rifle is too dangerous, don't own one. Same with standard capacity magazines and whatever else seems to be the "low hanging fruit" at the moment.

Cheers

I never have and never will own handle or fire ar15 I haven't been a fan of them since they were introduced not a fan of ANY semi auto weapon weather. It's a rifle pistol carbine or any combination never will be
I'm well aware of the constitution and it's amendments along with the bill of rights

thats My personal OPINION is I see no reason to own an AR-15 or not do a back ground check that'My opinion nothing more nothing less
I don't think for a second they will go away if we give them low hanging fruit I've been alive way way to long to even think that would work
Not giving in by any means never will

 

[mossyoak52]

What an embarrassing stance to take. Lol.

Your entitled to your OPINION as I am mine
We will agree to disagree and I will now put you on ignore not getting in a pissig match over my OPINION on the subject not with you or anyone else

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Your entitled to your OPINION as I am mine
We will agree to disagree and I will now put you on ignore not getting in a pissig match over my OPINION on the subject

Hahahah!!!!! Put me on ignore, do it, hide yourself from the true horrors of the internet. Lol. You can’t make this stuff up, I love it.

 

[Rob5589]

I never have and never will own handle or fire ar15 I haven't been a fan of them since they were introduced not a fan of ANY semi auto weapon weather. It's a rifle pistol carbine or any combination never will be
I'm well aware of the constitution and it's amendments along with the bill of rights

thats My personal OPINION is I see no reason to own an AR-15 or not do a back ground check that'My opinion nothing more nothing less
I don't think for a second they will go away if we give them low hanging fruit I've been alive way way to long to even think that would work
Not giving in by any means never will

Just know that a background check isn't a safety net. CA for example has had them for decades and yet they lead the way in mass shootings. Standard AR15's are banned as are magazines over 10 rounds. We also have a 10 day wait, ammo background checks, no private party sales of guns or ammo, difficult ccw requirements, specific transportation requirements, a limit on how many firearms one can buy in a month, a restrictive handgun roster, red flag laws and I am sure others I am forgetting. And yet nobody would call CA the firearm safety panacea.

 

[scattergun]

On the other hand, Canada’s rate of gun deaths is less than a sixth of the US’s.

 

[260madman]

On the other hand, Canada’s rate of gun deaths is less than a sixth of the US’s.

It’s called demographics.

 

[scattergun]

It’s called demographics.

How would that account for over six times the gun deaths per-capita in the US?

 

[TxxAgg]

^^^ More veterans committing suicide. More inner city gang violence.

 

[Rob5589]

How would that account for over six times the gun deaths per-capita in the US?

Gangs, drugs, mental health, inner city violence, etc. Take your pick. Chicago had nearly 800 murders, alone, in 2021. Is there anywhere like that in Canada? There's a problem, without a doubt. But to simply imply it's because of guns alone is missing the entire picture.

 

[scattergun]

Claiming it’s because of demographics alone also misses the bigger picture, though. And Canada definitely has some rough spots too.

 

[JJJ]

I’m paraphrasing here, but he said something along the lines of:
*The idea of self protection with firearms has infiltrated northerly from the USA from the typical right wing extreme outlets*

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