"You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

[tater]

The right to bear arms is not protected in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Self-defence is a tenet of English Common Law, but it must be proportional to the threat. There are court cases every year where someone proves that the defence was proportional to the threat in a shooting and they are exonerated.

Where the smarmy little POS (and it was his "father" that "gave us" the Charter in 1982) has us is the inability to store firearms in a manner that make them convenient for quick use in a home defence situation.

Jumping up in the middle of the night, opening my safe pulling out my .45, removing the trigger lock then going to another lock-box to remove seven rounds to then load a mag and THEN chamber a round is not really all that effective.

If there is a shooting in your home, the first question from the bears is "How was your firearm stored?" not "Why did you discharge your weapon?" Even if you walk on the shooting you will do two plus a day for improper storage and lose your firearms licence.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

As a Yank who has hunted in Alberta, i can tell you that you cannot carry a sidearm and you must use a Canadian guide/outfitter. They get you the tags and when in Grizz country, your guide will likely carry a 45-70 Govt lever gun. Mine did. That was when we were in the mountains, where the bears are. He never carried in the lowlands where the AG areas were intertwined with swamps. The look on his face when he spotted steaming grizz scat on the edge of a canola field was total panic. I had a bow and bear spray...I was the one who would have to step up if we were to encounter a bruin on flat ground. Only starving bears would hunt the crop fields looking for deer & moose. I really felt naked, I carry a sidearm daily. Canada is an electrifying place to bow hunt.

This was my guide. Eyes of a hawk and legs of a giraffe.


It was an exciting two weeks.



Moose beds in the swamps were fully enclosed, you wouldn't know if a moose was in it until you were 5' away.



I got to full draw (and let down) more times in 15 days in Alberta than 10 years in the lower 48. I highly recommend it.

You can get multiple tags which enables you to take advantage of the weather conditions. When it's windy you hunt the lowlands, when it's calm you go up high.



Ya start at 4am and are in the field hunting at 6am (legal shooting hours) until around 9:30-9:45pm when it turns dusk. In grizz county you are always out before dark. It's a rule. No guide will stay and cut a moose, elk or deer in the dark there. You take what you can and go back on the morning...very cautiously.

I was lucky, got mine 8 minutes into morning shooting hours.



This was the last of a blood trail we were on for half a day before stopping due to darkness. Never did find that mulie, was somewhere between 180 & 200. Still bothers me, I knew if we had stuck with it a bit longer we would have located him.



He was a good lookin' buck.

 

[260madman]

He took away the guns and reduced the minimum sentencing for crimes a gun is used in. Law abiding get bent over and the criminals rejoice at lenient sentencing. Clown World.

 

[displacedtexan]

The people that vote for these types in California aren't complaining about Trudeau, they are applauding him. Imagine being less than a 1/4 of the population as a conservative then tell me exactly how our votes can even begin to effect change.

I thought conservatives were the silent majority?

 

[*zap*]

The world is fubar at the moment.

 

[ODB]

So his statement was accurate.

Accuracy is no cover for insanity. You'll note he offered no description of how one was to protect themself.

 

[Wrench]

I'm thankful that Canada makes Washington state look less asinine with its regulations.

I feel for the Canadian people, you shouldn't need the government to tell you how to defend yourself.

 

[Gutshot007]

I've said once before an I'll say it again. Violent crime can easily be stopped with a social worker on an ebike with a pizza , some oreos and a cold glass of milk to diffuse the situation

 

[JohnnyB]

Bummer eh?

 

[StuckoYota99]

I've said once before an I'll say it again. Violent crime can easily be stopped with a social worker on an ebike with a pizza , some oreos and a cold glass of milk to diffuse the situation

You mean a mountie on a moosen with poutine and maple syrup. Canucks love that stuff. Sorry eh

 

[mossyoak52]

It's the same here in Australia.

Yes it is

 

[HighUintas]

How bout those bears...

 

[roadrunner]

There is no right to bear arms in the Canada constitution.


Consider this: this also means you do not have the right to protect your family or neighbors with a firearm either. See a deranged maniac beating an old lady? Just walk on, grab your phone and call the Mounties.

It's the same here in Australia.

Gotta love that "European mentality" that's so out dated it's not even funny.

That aside, even though there is a codified Right in the US Constitution to keep and bear arms, addressing a threat to neutralize it also is supposed to be met with like force. If you're 6'0" and weigh 225 lbs and a guy that is 6"1" and weighs 232 lbs approaches you to duke it out with fists, you can't pull your CC and shoot him. A small petite woman that stands 5'1" and weighs 120 lbs, however, most certainly can.

 

[ODB]

Gotta love that "European mentality" that's so out dated it's not even funny.

That aside, even though there is a codified Right in the US Constitution to keep and bear arms, addressing a threat to neutralize it also is supposed to be met with like force. If you're 6'0" and weigh 225 lbs and a guy that is 6"1" and weighs 232 lbs approaches you to duke it out with fists, you can't pull your CC and shoot him. A small petite woman that stands 5'1" and weighs 120 lbs, however, most certainly can.

Where is “like force” codified? And also the definition of neutralize?

So in the face of a threat we all must become carnival weight-guessers before we decide to use a weapon?

 

[*zap*]

Like force is a decided by 12 kinda thing.

 

[Gutshot007]

I never pick fights around thanksgiving or Christmas(unless it's a family member ). Always up a few lbs, better to shed a few and wrestle with "like" size people instead of getting shot by a smaller person. Older Cop buddies I've heard use term "force plus 1" . Not sure if that's the current training.

 

[WCB]

Gotta love that "European mentality" that's so out dated it's not even funny.

That aside, even though there is a codified Right in the US Constitution to keep and bear arms, addressing a threat to neutralize it also is supposed to be met with like force. If you're 6'0" and weigh 225 lbs and a guy that is 6"1" and weighs 232 lbs approaches you to duke it out with fists, you can't pull your CC and shoot him. A small petite woman that stands 5'1" and weighs 120 lbs, however, most certainly can.

Not true...ask Rittenhouse and countless others that have defending themselves against a "unarmed" attackers. So you are saying dude pulls a knife and you have to knife fight him? Guy jumps you and starts pounding on you you just have to take it and can't pull your gun?

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Not true...ask Rittenhouse and countless others that have defending themselves against a "unarmed" attackers. So you are saying dude pulls a knife and you have to knife fight him? Guy jumps you and starts pounding on you you just have to take it and can't pull your gun?

While I don't agree with the law, what you have stated, is how the law is written. Sure glad I don't live up there. Check out the Canadian site, search and enter, Self defense law in Canada : myth vs reality - What the law. read the blog.

 

[roadrunner]

Where is “like force” codified? And also the definition of neutralize?

So in the face of a threat we all must become carnival weight-guessers before we decide to use a weapon?

Nowhere, and didn't say it was. I said the Right to keep and bear arms was codified. I gave an example of what responding in like kind was. In the event you are involved in a defensive shooting with someone of your same build and stature where their weapon was their fists and you have the ability to chose whether or not to engage, good luck convincing a judge and jury you were in the right to put three into the assailant's center of mass.

Not true...ask Rittenhouse and countless others that have defending themselves against a "unarmed" attackers. So you are saying dude pulls a knife and you have to knife fight him? Guy jumps you and starts pounding on you you just have to take it and can't pull your gun?

Rittenhouse was outnumbered and death threats were issued - completely different. Knife is a deadly weapon, quit trying obfuscate what defending in like kind is. You do not have the "right" to pull your gun in every situation. A CCW course should teach you that. If it didn't learn that, you need to get your money back and take a course from a responsible instructor...

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Sorry Roadrunner, if a person feels their life is at risk, then deadly force can be used defensively. Maybe not in all states, but I know in the states I hang out in that is certainly the case. And to add to that, if you feel someone else's life is at risk, you have the right to defend them as well.

This does not mean there won't be at least an investigation into the "why" and "how" of the use of deadly force, but if determined to be a valid threat to life, the use of a gun will be OK.

Your argument does not hold water except maybe on the coasts.