Yeti drops NRA?

[Billinsd]

We might not never really know what happened. I'm not ready to dump Yeti, I just haven't wanted to pay for one. Yeti isn't making an anti 2nd Amendment or anti NRA statement that I can see. It's not good to over act and it's always good to be patient and freeking calm!!! LOL

 

[sndmn11]

I don't think they made an anti NRA or anti 2nd amendment statement/decision, I just think they made a really unintelligent business decision with the cherry on top of not planning a decent way out.

 

[hodgeman]

Just for giggles...Yeti may not be saying much on the issue because their legal counsel has told them to be quiet.

If indeed the information posted by Hammer (as a paid employee/representative of the NRA) is indeed faulty as they've asserted and can be proven to have caused economic harm (for example, everyone and their brother publicly calling for boycotting Yeti and blowing up their coolers on YouTube)...then their attorney is going to cash a large check in several years.

Libel settlements between corporations are rare but can be enormous.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I didn't ignore it Brendan. I read it. But, as I stated, the NRA spent a bit today restating what you and others claim as false lies by a bully? At liable risk no less. Yeti is in serious jeopardy here. Like I said earlier, if this was done like Yeti claims, then the NRA is going to lose some serious money in lawsuits. Huge. Well deserved too. With that knowledge, all YETI has to do to win that case is prove what they say. They seem to be implying that with a broad statement. What they aren't doing is taking direct stances against what everyone is recognizing as the issue. Which is that Yeti refused to honor cooler sales they had with the NRA. That yeti denied filling the orders they had previously in contract. That yeti insisted the NRA remove all trademarked Yeti merchandise for advertising. And basing it all on "recent" events. Not business restructuring.



I guess what I'm taking issue with concerning Yeti, is their unwillingness to put themselves in a liable position against the claims of the NRA. Gheez man, as this thread testifies too, Yeti likely wouldn't even have to prove lose to win a lawsuit against the NRA. However, the NRA sure isn't backing down. It's like they have no fear of losing in the court room. Which is strange because that is exactly where it is headed if Yeti has not done what the NRA claims. just my thoughts.

 

[mtluckydan]

At this point politically, there are two lines with respect to guns. Yeti got in a different line than I'm in. Reading posts on Rokslide over the course of several years clearly shows what line a number of members are in...the same line as Yeti. If you read the NRA mission statement they are very unwavering. No where in that statement does it say they will please everyone that does or wants to own a gun. They pretty clearly say they will protect everyone's rights...even the people in Yeti's line. I will never be in Yeti's line. They have made their choice...my choice is easy.

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[mfllood3800]

You cant argue the timing of all this is a little funky.
Maybe a phone call from one Executive to another should've occurred? I tend to believe it did. If not perhaps a letter with more details explaining the situation.
Maybe a letter like this:

We , are in a financial situation requiring our Marketing department to pull back sponsorship in many areas. We totally understand the poor timing of this decision in lieu of the other business that recently backed out because of the pressures from the political pansies and left leaning tide pod eating liberals. We know the democratic party wants to eliminate guns from the entire public sector and we disagree with this agenda. We hope to very soon, continue to help as we can with our new 1 oz type "shot" or "Communion" tumblers, depending on your personal beliefs, that we will soon be retailing for $99. We hope this letter clearly and concisely demonstrates our position on how we feel about the NRA, the 2A, and the base we both share thru out the hunting and outdoors community. Hopefully there wont be a huge deal made out of nothing by social media key board warriors and the end result even a deeper divide within our own shared community of supporters. We would never want to do that or risk that. So please accept this written letter as our end of terms for sponsorship. We no longer need the tax write off but rather need more sales generated income. We are hopeful this letter ending our relationship helps us succeed in that goal.
Sincerely Yeti Coolers

In my 31 years of CEO of a manufacturing/Production business I created, when ever I severe a relationship for any reason, I make a phone call followed up by an official hard copy of the contractual agreement deviation. Especially when dealing with a sensitive situation.
I would have to believe there was a phone call prior to the written documentation.
That phone call probably has the secrets everyone really wants.
I am believing the NRA response to the letter is the result of a prior phone call between executives, or lack of it?

 

[sndmn11]

Sponsorship and discount program are two different things.

 

[mfllood3800]

Sponsorship and discount program are two different things.

Not always, no it isn't.....
I am sponsored by several companies, some that offer me a discount, others supply me with totally free products.
I am currently setting a sponsorship up with a Japanese company that is using me to promote their product and in return they will be offering a discount. Sometimes it is free sometimes it is discounted

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I suspect you are correct about the details not being in writing. I suspect that the initial announcement came with a phone call. Followed by the politically correct letter. The only real question in my mind is were the “recent events” back at the first of March related to the school shooting. Or was yeti referring to it’s restructuring. I’m not sure we will ever know unless a suit is filed by Yeti. The NRA won’t file. They’ll move along with someone that wants their affiliation. It would be very nice to know who was telling the truth though. So we’d know if we have a bully or a stead fast civil rights machine in the NRA.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I suspect you are correct about the details not being in writing. I suspect that the initial announcement came with a phone call. Followed by the politically correct letter. The only real question in my mind is were the “recent events” back at the first of March related to the school shooting. Or was yeti referring to it’s restructuring. I’m not sure we will ever know unless a suit is filed by Yeti. The NRA won’t file. They’ll move along with someone that wants their affiliation. It would be very nice to know who was telling the truth though. So we’d know if we have a bully or a stead fast civil rights machine in the NRA.

I suspect the cease and assist letter sent terminating the logo brand licensing that Yeti sent after parkland... will get posted eventually

 

[mfllood3800]

I suspect you are correct about the details not being in writing. I suspect that the initial announcement came with a phone call. Followed by the politically correct letter. The only real question in my mind is were the “recent events” back at the first of March related to the school shooting. Or was yeti referring to it’s restructuring. I’m not sure we will ever know unless a suit is filed by Yeti. The NRA won’t file. They’ll move along with someone that wants their affiliation. It would be very nice to know who was telling the truth though. So we’d know if we have a bully or a stead fast civil rights machine in the NRA.

My point, is that a phone call probably laid it out in detail, may have gotten a little heated, and then when the letter comes out, NRA jumps on it knowing the inside scoop, none of us do.
But hey, I am not a billion dollar company, maybe at this level, exec's don't bother with personal contact- maybe it is all thru digital venues. Seems easier to not have to face them, and hope you don't face backlash as a result.

I'm still supporting the NRA no matter what, cause the enemy to the 2 A is far worst than the NRA. It's that simple for me. In todays world you will find it very difficult to find the perfect anything. Enemies are everywhere, and often times you have to side with the ones who help promote your ideals, rights , regardless of their tactics.

 

[KJH]

I'm still supporting the NRA no matter what, cause the enemy to the 2 A is far worst than the NRA. It's that simple for me. In todays world you will find it very difficult to find the perfect anything. Enemies are everywhere, and often times you have to side with the ones who help promote your ideals, rights , regardless of their tactics.

I agree with this logic. Well put.

 

[5MilesBack]

I rest my point of the NRA is really good at creating a if you not with us your against us mentality.

Yep, that's pretty close, except I don't believe they created that. People willing to give up or take away MY rights created that. The NRA is just a lobby group for our rights. How many lobby groups are out there that are as adamant about protecting our rights and the Constitution as the NRA? I can't think of any? So who is out there that speaks for the Constitution and our rights these days? It's certainly not the media, they're as anti-American and anti-Constitution as it gets. So my question is.......why wouldn't Americans support the only group that is speaking for Americans? So in that sense.......ya, you're either with us or you're against us, regardless what you think of the NRA.

There's no middle ground on this. You can't say "Well I support the 2nd Amendment, but I'm OK with the infringements". There are millions of Americans that fall into that side. "Shall not be infringed upon" is part of the 2nd Amendment. So you can't be for the 2nd if you're against part of the 2nd. There are no partials, or middle ground acceptance with the Constitution and our rights.

 

[Trial153]

So when the “ left” lies, sensationalizes and polarizes they are commie socialist scumbags. But if “our “ side does the same thing justified for the good of the cause. Got it.
Thanks I will pass on that kind of moral vacancy.

 

[Brendan]

How about this. I support the 2nd Amendment, but I think the NRA's strategy and how they conduct themselves is not the right way in the long term to secure our 2nd amendment rights. I think the "With us or against us" divisive mentality will only work so long before it bites us in the ass.
Therefore, that's why they don't get, and won't get my support.

 

[5MilesBack]

So when the “ left” lies, sensationalizes and polarizes they are commie socialist scumbags.

They may be, but their ideologies define them more than their tactics. But "what they are or aren't" is less important than what they operate on, or stand for. The biggest differentiation is that liberal ideologies are almost always based on emotion rather than logic and reason. Just like their ideologies, their lies are easy to identify. But their lies don't necessarily make them anything other than a liar. And we all know that the right has plenty of liars as well. So lies aren't the differentiation between the two. And perhaps even with this NRA/Yeti spat......they may both be lying in part, confused or jumping to conclusions in part, or both telling a bit of the truth. All of which may not define "who they are, or what they stand for".

 

[sneaky]

Not always, no it isn't.....
I am sponsored by several companies, some that offer me a discount, others supply me with totally free products.
I am currently setting a sponsorship up with a Japanese company that is using me to promote their product and in return they will be offering a discount. Sometimes it is free sometimes it is discounted

That chopstick deal finally came through? Sweet!

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[GrantMan]

I have not read through all the post but with companies such as Pelican and others making coolers I do not see the need to buy Yeti products. Pelican makes one fine cooler and I would guess they are a strong supporter of the NRA considering they make rifle cases.

 

[5MilesBack]

I think the "With us or against us" divisive mentality will only work so long before it bites us in the ass.

There is only one "divisive" front. Think about it. The divisive front comes from those that want to take away or infringe on our rights.......period. I'm pretty sure the NRA and most members would rather have absolutely no need that the NRA existed. That would mean that ALL Americans FULLY supported the 2nd Amendment. The NRA didn't create that division.......the NRA exists BECAUSE of that division. The divisive mentality existed long before the NRA existed.......but they are willing to draw the line in the sand and stand up to those divisors. This is a very typical liberal tactic that has sunk in with many conservatives as well........"be the divisors, then blame the other side as creating division". Logic and reason simply exposes that flaw in thinking.

 

[mfllood3800]

So when the “ left” lies, sensationalizes and polarizes they are commie socialist scumbags. But is our side does the same thing justified for the good of the cause. Got it.


Thanks I will pass on that kind of moral vacancy.

You really like adding to content don't you? It's like what anyone says that is differing to what you say, it's ok to add misinformation to make your point more valid.
I will say you have 2 choices here on 2 A - The entire machine of the liberal agenda or the NRA.
Your "high road" wont do squat to stop the liberal machine.

The NRA with all it's issues can and has proven that even under Obama, with support in all branches, it can successfully counter this machine.
Thru corporate sponsorship, general membership and media campaigns that counter the oppositions media campaigns and attacks and pressures against the corporate sponsors who are pro NRA.

You simply decide- do you want the 2A or not.
Hey I could care less what you decide, like you could care less what I decide.

But I guarantee if it comes down to the NRA needing you specifically to preserve the 2A and the Liberals needing you specifically to amend it - you would choose the NRA.

American society has created the usefulness of marketing, commercials and sensory tactics. If these avenues didn't work on us directing how and where we spend our $, they wouldn't be successful tools to get our $. We literally dictate what works and what doesn't by our response to their tactics.

The NRA has joined the process of what works here in America. Imagine if they had not, but relied on just being quiet and hope every body does the right thing. The propaganda from the left on evil guns is so effective the majority of the population is buying into it, certainly the majority of the next generation to vote is. So hey, if they use emotionalism to promote their membership, that is a direct counter to the libs emotionalism tactics using 2 kids from Fl. It's not just the quiet and non involved me and you the NRA is after, its the demographic the libs are after. Our generation of logical thinkers is quickly becoming the minority. What is rising up is this next generation influenced by pure wicked and evil virtual reality of total equality. We know this is unachievable, but they are buying into it. So lets use polarization, sensationalism- this reaches this generation. Let's use lies? I'm not for that. But then again we don't have all the facts here do we?