Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[KurtR]

Same and that makes me sick. I’m not a fan of the outfitting business to begin with and am more of a believer in that if you want to go kill something, you should be able to accomplish it yourself.

On top of that the price to play comes along. People well off will be able to hunt every year, it’s like that some places already. While the middle class will struggle and not make it out all that much. Some people are okay with that, I personally am not. I don’t see how a guy or gal working 60 hours a week shouldn’t be able to reasonably afford to spend their time off hunting.

I will likely never hunt alaska for anything that requires a guide. My wife and I have decent jobs and both work full time. The price to play is just out of our league

If they want to hunt can’t they hunt where they live? Life is about choices and I choose to live where I can hunt out my back door . Might not be elk or sheep but I get to hunt. It’s also on what people want to spend money on I know people who saved for years to go hunt Alaska or some other hunt instead of vacations and eating out.

 

[Lawnboi]

If they want to hunt can’t they hunt where they live? Life is about choices and I choose to live where I can hunt out my back door . Might not be elk or sheep but I get to hunt. It’s also on what people want to spend money on I know people who saved for years to go hunt Alaska or some other hunt instead of vacations and eating out.

People can. Still dosnt negate the fact that I don’t believe hunting should be a rich mans game, which it is becoming. People flock west to hunt decent public land, something that not every state has.

Just my opinion is all. I would just like to see the little guy be able to enjoy hunting for years to come.

Me for example. I know I will never hunt sheep, mountain goat or moose. Could I afford it if I saved for years? Sure, but overall it’s out of my league.

Be able to afford a diy hunt, being compared to buying an f250 platinum as we have read in this thread is something I believe is bull crap.

I’d rather see chances of a tag fall than tag prices only affordable by the elite. That’s just not what I want to see hunting to become in my lifetime.

I’m lucky enough that I can also hunt out of my back yard. Not everyone has that.

People can just buy beef too and save a shit load of cash….

 

[slick]

People make sacrifices and decisions daily that put them exactly where they are.

Elk, deer, pronghorn, sheep, etc. is NOT a rich man's sport. If you want to travel around and take advantage of other states opportunities for species that may or may not live in the area you live is up to you.
Edit for clarity: Out of state hunting is expensive, but it doesn't mean you can't hunt. It's a matter of how you chose to spend your funds... NR application in a couple western states + points could equate to 5 tanks of gas close to home to hunt more.

Name any other outdoor pursuit- albeit these are "non-consumptive" mountain biking is expensive, skiing is expensive, white water rafting is expensive. Do any of them close to home and it's a helluva alot cheaper. It is NOT a rich mans sport, but to bitch and moan when a state does something in favor of its residents, frankly, its time for reality check.

 

[Lawnboi]

People make sacrifices and decisions daily that put them exactly where they are.

Elk, deer, pronghorn, sheep, etc. is NOT a rich man's sport. If you want to travel around and take advantage of other states opportunities of species that may or may not live in the area you live is up to you.

Name any other outdoor pursuit- albeit these are "non-consumptive" mountain biking is expensive as balls, skiing is expensive as balls, white water rafting is expensive as balls. Do any of them close to home and it's a helluva alot cheaper. It is NOT a rich mans sport, but to bitch and moan when a state does something in favor of its residents, frankly, its time for reality check.

Currently I’d agree. Sure looks like it’s going that way though, and not in regards to what is in the OP. People are being told by some in this thread how it will become.

 

[canyonhunter47]

WY has every right to set quotas however they want 80/20, 90/10, 100/0, whatever. But it’s not “entitlement” when applicants who have spent $$ on points are irritated because the state changed the game and the ETA on a tag just went to their geriatric years.

If WY pulls the rug out of NR’s then the NR money that makes up 77% of G&F revenue is gonna dry up. WY doesn’t have a huge resident hunter base (~20-25% of 600k population) so they’re eventually going to be squeezing blood from a stone

 

[Lawnboi]

WY has every right to set quotas however they want 80/20, 90/10, 100/0, whatever. But it’s not “entitlement” when applicants who have spent $$ on points are irritated because the state changed the game and the ETA on a tag just went to their geriatric years.

If WY pulls the rug out of NR’s then the NR money that makes up 77% of G&F revenue is gonna dry up. WY doesn’t have a huge resident hunter base (~20-25% of 600k population) so they’re eventually going to be squeezing blood from a stone View attachment 390156

If you read back, they have a solution for that too. Raise the price of stuff NR can still get.

 

[Bighorns]

As an 18 moose point holder, I'm inclined to no longer agree with this. Bait & switch advertising.......

Rob...Not trying to be a smartass here, but just curious. At any time during your 18 years of accumulating preference points, did you have enough points to draw a moose tag somewhere in Wyoming? Or were you holding out for a specific area?

 

[slick]

As long as the economy is doing ok and people have extra spending money, there are enough people out there that will still apply.

Cause you certainly won’t ever go if you don’t apply.

The demand is going no where. Rokslide is an echo chamber of which represents 1% of all hunters nationwide or maybe less?
Especially those that post often.

 

[Bighorns]

I’m sure you know a lot about what is going into the task forces ears and pushing for direction with them.

FYI: All of the task force meetings are archived and available on-line.

 

[canyonhunter47]

If you read back, they have a solution for that too. Raise the price of stuff NR can still get.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. NR preference points are the state’s biggest cash cow. I’m sure the NR’s are gonna be lining to throw their cash at a .5% chance at $2k deer tags, $5k elk tags and so on. I know I am /s

 

[tdhanses]

FYI: All of the task force meetings are archived and available on-line.

What about all the conversation that aren’t offical? Buddies do talk.

 

[tdhanses]

I am a new wyoming resident this law won't effect me at all I will never draw a tag. But the fact that everyone saying there needs to become a court issue seams a little over the top. I looked at buying points about 10 years back and doing the math could tell at that time it is no different then buying a lotto ticket. If the allocation stayed the same it would currently take 20 years to clear out the top point holders down to people with 20 points and people will still be buying points so as bad as it sounds it really didn't change much there are currently just over 1000 people with 20 points to max its sucks but it could be worse.

If you gave me $150 a year and I told you you would be guaranteed access to my property someday when you draw and then I say well you know what lets make that a guarantee after 50 years, would you want your money back or would you be ok with me keeping it? We have no contract, just me telling you my word is good.

 

[robtattoo]

I've always had my eye on units 3 & 25. Simply because one of my oldest & best friends lives in Pinedale & I'm reasonably familiar with the area. As of last year, both required >20 points. I've been 1-2 points behind for a long time. I was going to start applying once I hit 20 myself in 2024.
As far as I'm aware (and I'm certain to be corrected if I'm wrong) I could've potentially drawn the 1 cow tag issued in unit 25 last year, had the single other applicant died or forgotten he already had 12 points. I believe that was the only tag available for under 18.

(Edited to correct unit numbers. Should've been 25, not 5)

 

[tdhanses]

I agree. 100%. In order to achieve the most benefit, These states also need to stop relying on so much NR money to manage their lands. The states clearly have the resources at this point. Its time to transfer these vast amounts public lands to the states so their own residents are in the best position to benefit from them.

Truthfully it shocks me states haven’t raised resident fees to at least 50% of what nonresidents pay, this would take away any claim that nonresidents prop up state game agencies, but most residents while they feel the game is their right don’t value it enough to actually pay for it’s management.

 

[Laramie]

Buzz gets feathers ruffled but he isn't the enemy here - just the voice of a % of the population of Wyoming. I lose sight of that because he is an easy target. I don't blame Wyoming residents for wanting 90% of the tags. I blame the marketing efforts of the WG&F and their misleading tactics.

I am a new wyoming resident this law won't effect me at all I will never draw a tag. But the fact that everyone saying there needs to become a court issue seams a little over the top. I looked at buying points about 10 years back and doing the math could tell at that time it is no different then buying a lotto ticket. If the allocation stayed the same it would currently take 20 years to clear out the top point holders down to people with 20 points and people will still be buying points so as bad as it sounds it really didn't change much there are currently just over 1000 people with 20 points to max its sucks but it could be worse.

10 years ago there were moose tags you could draw with 0-2 points. You can't paint the whole picture one color. Not everyone is chasing an any moose area 38 tag.

 

[robtattoo]

Truthfully it shocks me states haven’t raised resident fees to at least 50% of what nonresidents pay, this would take away any claim that nonresidents prop up state game agencies, but most residents while they feel the game is their right don’t value it enough to actually pay for it’s management.

Hard to argue with, looking at the price differences....

 

[Steve O]

FYI: All of the task force meetings are archived and available on-line.

Yes but as Buzz has stated most of the good stuff happens when the cameras are not rolling.

 

[Archer86]

Buzz gets feathers ruffled but he isn't the enemy here - just the voice of a % of the population of Wyoming. I lose sight of that because he is an easy target. I don't blame Wyoming residents for wanting 90% of the tags. I blame the marketing efforts of the WG&F and their misleading tactics.

10 years ago there were moose tags you could draw with 0-2 points. You can't paint the whole picture one color. Not everyone is chasing an any moose area 38 tag.

Yeah and those were antlerless tags and only a few people applied for each tag so I wouldnt consider those high demand not what most are looking for in a moose hunt.....so try not to paint the whole picture one color....

 

[Crowmangler]

Truthfully it shocks me states haven’t raised resident fees to at least 50% of what nonresidents pay, this would take away any claim that nonresidents prop up state game agencies, but most residents while they feel the game is their right don’t value it enough to actually pay for it’s management.

PREACH

 

[CJ19]

Truthfully it shocks me states haven’t raised resident fees to at least 50% of what nonresidents pay, this would take away any claim that nonresidents prop up state game agencies, but most residents while they feel the game is their right don’t value it enough to actually pay for it’s management.

I guess. I have been pretty disgusted with the whole hunting industries monetization of public lands for awhile now. Supporting public land issues in the west is in the rearview for me. Money is tight these days. The groups and individuals in the public land hunting industry and lobbying space are only interested in people from east's money or support for causes that are self enriching. You can hear and see the distain for easterns or out of staters. Which is fine, i glare at nj and ny plates in my state i guess.

Its never been about shooting game for me. Ive passed up many chances to shoot nice deer my last few trips there. Id just rather drive around wy with my dad and argue which place has the best cheeseburgers. Ill head out with my family and friends every couple years bc i like to go for a walk in the american west with a rifle or bow in my hands. Good chance i dont buy a tag and dont hunt at all in wyo. Just hang out with friends out there. Maybe ill take another game animal in wyo at some point. Who knows. We go lots of places.

But me sending money to these groups or trying convincing my circle of friends to support them is done. In fact the opposite, groups like bha have endorsed politicians that are making life hard for the very people they claim to be fighting for. Then to have their leadership spit in NR faces at the same time they are asking for money is a final straw. Im hoping for big political change in nov. I will be writing my representatives encouraging them to ensure these western states start paying their fair share for the huge chunks of federal land they have. In fact blm lands need to go to the states at this point. They can manage them better anyhow. The experts in this thread have done an excellent job managing things like tags in wyoming so im sure they would be excited to have all that great land under state control.