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I am so sick of hunters trying to ban any type of hunting they don't like or agree with. We must be the dumbest group of people on the planet, the way we attack each other.
Archery and muzzleloader seasons wound more animals by percentage of hunters than rifle seasons in my experience.
Should we legislate a max range on a longbow? Who decides what it should be? Should we ban them altogether since they aren't as ethical as a modern compound bow?
Should we legislate a max range on muzzleloaders? Simply ban them?
Should we ban rangefinders?
Should we ban everything but backpack hunting? That would surely keep the Fudds out of the woods, right?
News flash, hunters are not good at shooting, and it doesn't matter what weapon they choose. We all know that the majority should practice way more than they do.
Maybe we should make it mandatory to pass a shooting proficiency test before we get a tag. The government would love to see us push for that, I'm sure.
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You can’t say you don’t want government intervention, but then say there should be some kind of competency test by the government. The way you do it should be how it’s done. Government regulation of another aspect of our lives is not the answer.I don’t want government intervention, however, like driving and a CCW, I do think there should be a competency test. I have seen complete morons in the field and absolutely terrible shooters that have no business going out in the field.
I frequent a private ranch that is high fence for fun family trips (we do that instead of Disney land). I have gotten to know the guide real well, and we have talked about this. He said the majority of people are terrible at shooting; conversely, he has been nothing but impressed with my 10 and 11 year old boys, 1 shot kills for them, because we train. Those kids were born with a rifle in their hands. Before a trip, 200 rounds shooting off tripod, bipod, field positions etc are part of the process.
I have friends that I grew up with and have hunted with, where their pre-trip routine is “checking zero” at a square range and that’s it… all the way to the next year. I preach to them all the time, but grown men will do what they want. It’s ridiculous to me to spend so much on an out of state hunt, and not be ready for it. This applies to physical fitness as well.
I don’t want government intervention, however, like driving and a CCW, I do think there should be a competency test. I have seen complete morons in the field and absolutely terrible shooters that have no business going out in the field.
I frequent a private ranch that is high fence for fun family trips (we do that instead of Disney land). I have gotten to know the guide real well, and we have talked about this. He said the majority of people are terrible at shooting; conversely, he has been nothing but impressed with my 10 and 11 year old boys, 1 shot kills for them, because we train. Those kids were born with a rifle in their hands. Before a trip, 200 rounds shooting off tripod, bipod, field positions etc are part of the process.
I have friends that I grew up with and have hunted with, where their pre-trip routine is “checking zero” at a square range and that’s it… all the way to the next year. I preach to them all the time, but grown men will do what they want. It’s ridiculous to me to spend so much on an out of state hunt, and not be ready for it. This applies to physical fitness as well.
Slight correction, It's not unintended.This is the law of unintended consequences.
The whole reason crap like this is happens, is because people are willing to give politicians the power to try to control all sorts of human behaviors that they don’t like, and the government has ZERO business being involved in
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You can’t say you don’t want government intervention, but then say there should be some kind of competency test by the government. The way you do it should be how it’s done. Government regulation of another aspect of our lives is not the answer.
Slob hunters are gonna be slob hunters no matter what. Control what you can control and call out the slobs when you can.
But keep the freaking government out of it. They would love nothing more than to have more control. Don’t give it to them willingly.
So you want a bunch of bias non hunting libs to judge you shooting?I understand your point and my default answer to things is get the .gov out of anything… however, hunting is already controlled by the government. That’s the reality, regardless of how anyone feels about it. Hunting has become a privilege not a right when it’s all said and done, at least for the public land hunter.
Most states require hunter’s safety, are you against that? I think those classes are a joke. How about make the shooting standards higher… Period. For everyone. Don’t regulate “long range hunting” just raise the competency standards.
There are already too many people applying for too few tags, why not raise the proficiency bar? This would be better for everyone in the long run, and would in a sense provide a means for self regulation. Can’t pass the shooting test, you can’t hunt. Get better. Don’t want to put in the effort to get better, fine, don’t hunt. Higher shooting standards would potentially reduce the number of wounded/lost animals, and thus result in more tags in the next year’s pool.
I will presume you are against poaching, but why? Poaching laws are government regulation. We (as a nation) already had total non-regulation of hunting, and that nearly wiped the animals out, and that was with orders of magnitude fewer people.
This subject, like most things in life, is not an easy black and white answer. Absolutism/ idealism clashes with the nuances of reality, so a pragmatic approach is needed. Raising the accuracy standards to get a hunting license I see as the least invasive and most beneficial practical solution.
So you want a bunch of bias non hunting libs to judge you shooting?
What if they get like the atf and just deny deny to save the animals?
Heck even if a hunter is judging, I’d fail other hunters just to get you out of the competition.
Dude hunters safety has a ton of ethics stuff in it.
You said yourself that’s a joke.
Based on what I see driving the dmv and driver’s license testing is a Joke
Yeah let’s just put another barrier to entry on the books.
Are youth going to be exempt?
I’m 100% convinced wildlife road crossings would save more deer then a long range competency test.
In many places that's probably right but hunting is definitely a primary contributor in others.
No disagreements from me.There are less deer.
There are more elk.
They complete for food.
More predators.
More houses on winter range.
Large ranches divided & more fences.
More vehicles and drivers in creasing mortality.
Poor forest management.
Cheat grass
The list goes on & on on what I believe would have substantially more impact on improving heard health the some type of hunter restriction.
I promise archery is a much worse offender the rifle in Oregon, they allow felons to archery hunt here.
IMO the most realistic thing we can do is plant sage brush and keep the pressure and money on wildlife road crossings.