Wyoming Corner Crossing, LEGAL!

[cnelk]

There are over 700,000 pins in the USA.
Just gotta find em

 

[fatlander]

For those wondering it will be the hunters responsibility to know where they are and where the corner is to cross, yes most LOs do know where their corners are.
Many are marked but hard to find, I know one that the corner marker is a piece of wire stickling out of the ground.

When you read the ruling it is based on the fact they did not touch the private land, be careful crossing and don't touch the private.
The UIA addresses the fences at the corners restricting access.

Of course it’s the hunters responsibility to know where they are.

With that said, it’s my understand that it was always assumed in the interpretation of the law that corner crossing violated the air space of the private property. That’s a very low burden of proof for the state. Basically if it was observed you hopped a corner, guilty.

Now the state has to prove that you ACTUALLY touched the private property. Much higher burden of proof that frankly I don’t see the states having the resources to fight in any meaningful way.

Best course of action for hunters in my humble opinion:

1.) Run a track.
2.) Take a picture of the corner.
3.) Be respectful to LEO but don’t share any information beyond “I’m hunting legally, officer. I was on public at all times. Here’s my license. Any other questions about my supposed whereabouts should be directed to my council.”
4.) Share your evidence with your attorney.

All you’ll do is talk yourself into a ticket sharing anything more.


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[Rich M]

Of course it’s the hunters responsibility to know where they are.

With that said, it’s my understand that it was always assumed in the interpretation of the law that corner crossing violated the air space of the private property. That’s a very low burden of proof for the state. Basically if it was observed you hopped a corner, guilty.

Now the state has to prove that you ACTUALLY touched the private property. Much higher burden of proof that frankly I don’t see the states having the resources to fight in any meaningful way.

Best course of action for hunters in my humble opinion:

1.) Run a track.
2.) Take a picture of the corner.
3.) Be respectful to LEO but don’t share any information beyond “I’m hunting legally, officer. I was on public at all times. Here’s my license. Any other questions about my supposed whereabouts should be directed to my council.”
4.) Share your evidence with your attorney.

All you’ll do is talk yourself into a ticket sharing anything more.


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They do have to come up with an approved manner of corner crossing - might even have to paint the monuments and corner pins to increase visibility.

Anyway, it is one step closer to allowing access to the public. Made possible by GPS and OnX.

 

[Bearded Bowhunter]

Reading this was not the worst way to start my day.

 

[fatlander]

They do have to come up with an approved manner of corner crossing - might even have to paint the monuments and corner pins to increase visibility.

Anyway, it is one step closer to allowing access to the public. Made possible by GPS and OnX.

Do they really have to do that?

Not touching private land is not touching private land. This is still a free country the last time I checked, you don’t need extra special permission to not break the law.

I can’t imagine you’d find many juries willing to convict someone that ran a track, took a picture of the corner, and was respectful to law enforcement while they were obeying the law. Be a good neighbor and you’ll be fine. Do stupid stuff and you’ll probably win stupid prizes.


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[LFC911]

So is who's making the new UL corner crossing ladders? Need to get me one!

 

[Rich M]

Do they really have to do that?

Not touching private land is not touching private land. This is still a free country the last time I checked, you don’t need extra special permission to not break the law.

I can’t imagine you’d find many juries willing to convict someone that ran a track, took a picture of the corner, and was respectful to law enforcement while they were obeying the law. Be a good neighbor and you’ll be fine. Do stupid stuff and you’ll probably win stupid prizes.


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If they come up with an "approved manner" to corner cross, then there would be some consistency in how it is done and not leaving all kinds of folks to figure things out on the fly. It would remove inconsistencies and keep people from making judgement calls that lead to problems.

Rancher or GW has cell/game cameras set up at corners to monitor folks? If you say you crossed and he doesn't have photos on the cell/game cam???

Nothing wrong with your track/breadcrumbs. What's the accuracy of the GPS track on your cell phone or handheld? 3 meters? I'm not sure if can certify to 3 feet on handhelds and cell phones, but what do I know (we have surveyor quality GPS's at work). If it is 8-10 feet, then someone can say you didn't cross at corner and all you have is good intentions and wasted money on an attorney.

So you got Johnny going out where he's never been at 04:00 cause he wants to cross 2 corner before daylight. He's got OnX but can't find the monument cause there is no fence, so he just crosses wrong location figuring he's "close enough". Don't forget that other hunters will do stuff to mess folks up as quickly as land owners - it's not all on the landowners when the guy before you puts a pile of grass on top of the monument to keep competing hunters away.

Just need to give it a little more time and allow for some acceptance and consistency in the process. We're almostthere.

 

[Hnthrdr]

So is who's making the new UL corner crossing ladders? Need to get me one!

Titanium/ aluminum / fiberglass, packable, and only starting at 5000$ comes in your favorite camo pattern

 

[MuleyFever]

I would not run a track on my GPS. The track could hurt you as much as it could help. They are only accurate to a few feet, or even yards so it wont actually prove you didnt cross onto private. And if you have a track of you wandering around trying to find the corner you may just as well prove you did cross on to private.

You dont need to prove you didnt cross onto private. The burden of proof to prosecute will be on the landowner to prove you did trespass. Cover your tracks.

 

[LFC911]

Titanium/ aluminum / fiberglass, packable, and only starting at 5000$ comes in your favorite camo pattern

don't forget the ever popular unobtanium models.

 

[MallardSX2]

There will be trail cameras at every corner that matters. Just wait and see.

Also, I foresee landowners pulling monuments out of the ground as fast as they can find them.

 

[fatlander]

If they come up with an "approved manner" to corner cross, then there would be some consistency in how it is done and not leaving all kinds of folks to figure things out on the fly. It would remove inconsistencies and keep people from making judgement calls that lead to problems.

Rancher or GW has cell/game cameras set up at corners to monitor folks? If you say you crossed and he doesn't have photos on the cell/game cam???

Nothing wrong with your track/breadcrumbs. What's the accuracy of the GPS track on your cell phone or handheld? 3 meters? I'm not sure if can certify to 3 feet on handhelds and cell phones, but what do I know (we have surveyor quality GPS's at work). If it is 8-10 feet, then someone can say you didn't cross at corner and all you have is good intentions and wasted money on an attorney.

So you got Johnny going out where he's never been at 04:00 cause he wants to cross 2 corner before daylight. He's got OnX but can't find the monument cause there is no fence, so he just crosses wrong location figuring he's "close enough". Don't forget that other hunters will do stuff to mess folks up as quickly as land owners - it's not all on the landowners when the guy before you puts a pile of grass on top of the monument to keep competing hunters away.

Just need to give it a little more time and allow for some acceptance and consistency in the process. We're almostthere.

Do you really think in your wildest dreams that states and game wardens would have time to set trail cameras on corners? Ranchers, sure they could do that. In all honesty, it would cheaper and easier for them to just mark their corner. I go back to the good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things.

The GPS is the best available technology to be exculpatory or incriminating evidence. Although, I only see it as playing to the accused hunters benefit.


State presents GPS as evidence.
Defense: Ok, great. What other evidence do you have? It will be none unless there is real physical evidence of a trespass. If there is real physical evidence and you’re at trial, your lawyer sucks. You should have taken a deal before going to court. Accuracy of GPS is brought into question by defense and expert witness testifies to inaccuracy. There’s your reasonable doubt. Have a good day.

The state has the burden of proof, not the accused.


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[wyosteve]

I also foresee ranchers installing fences 20 ft or so tall near the corners. Gonna be hard to bring a ladder in to cross that!

 

[MuleyFever]

I also foresee ranchers installing fences 20 ft or so tall near the corners. Gonna be hard to bring a ladder in to cross that!

Thats exactly what this ruling says they cannot do. If they do, turn them in.

 

[Caseknife]

Look at a USGS topo map, the corners that have a little + are the only ones that initially had actual survey markers.

 

[wytx]

There will be trail cameras at every corner that matters. Just wait and see.

Also, I foresee landowners pulling monuments out of the ground as fast as they can find them.

No way, it is illegal to pull corner markers and they know this. I'm not foreseeing $750 fines being handed out right and left.
Not all LO are jerks.

 

[MallardSX2]

No way, it is illegal to pull corner markers and they know this. I'm not foreseeing $750 fines being handed out right and left.
Not all LO are jerks.

LOL

Your stupid replies to my posts always make me laugh.

 

[roosterdown]

So is who's making the new UL corner crossing ladders? Need to get me one!

The most UL solution is always turning a piece of gear you already are carrying into multipurpose gear:

You and your buddy tie the suppressors of your Tikkas together for the top, place the butts of the stocks on the ground on opposite corners.

Notice that the trigger guard and the scope's objective lens naturally form steps to ascend and descend.

Bob's your uncle!

 

[cnelk]

Look at a USGS topo map, the corners that have a little + are the only ones that initially had actual survey markers.

 

[Weldor]

I also foresee ranchers installing fences 20 ft or so tall near the corners. Gonna be hard to bring a ladder in to cross that

Absolutely. They will figure a way out .