WY fee increase, DOA

[wapitibob]

Bill died on introduction.

all that hand wringing and angst for nothing

 

[Bull_n_heat]

Where shall we erect it's funeral pyre?

 

[Jimss]

Outfitters got beat up pretty bad this year! You could kind of see the writing was on the wall when outfitters allowed 90/10 for the big 5 to pass without even a fight. All the battling and time spent at so many Task Force meetings listening to the domineering voice of the outfitter's representative ultimately came back to bite them in the rear! Where do things go from here?

 

[wind gypsy]

Alright folks, now is time to withdraw your elk apps this year. You’re safe for another year.

 

[Rifleman86]

I put in for a general elk tag in the regular draw on the off chance I draw a random (burned my points last year.)

I thought about a special but figured everyone would be doing special wanting to burn points and worried about the increase.

I’ll bet the regular draw has better odds than the special this year.

 

[wind gypsy]

I thought about a special but figured everyone would be doing special wanting to burn points and worried about the increase.

I’ll bet the regular draw has better odds than the special this year.

It's possible. Everyone with 4 or more points should also apply in general if they don't cancel their application then.

 

[wapitibob]

I put in for a general elk tag in the regular draw on the off chance I draw a random (burned my points last year.)

I thought about a special but figured everyone would be doing special wanting to burn points and worried about the increase.

I’ll bet the regular draw has better odds than the special this year.

not even close on the random side
8% regular vs 19.5% special

 

[Rifleman86]

not even close on the random side
8% regular vs 19.5% special

We’ll see, those are last years odds. I drew under the special draw last year with 3 points… Point being I think we will see a lot of people who jump for special trying to dump points.

I’m sure they I’ll probably be wrong, but nothing out there says Special has to have better odds, it just typically does due to economics. Certain tags have had better odds under the regular draw in the past.

ETA according to the WY fish and game website 2987 people put in for a NR special general tag as a first choice in 2022, 350 were successful, so I’m not sure where you are getting 19.5%

 

[wapitibob]

you're looking at the demand report, which was created before all the nr special gen tags were issued

 

[tdhanses]

We’ll see, those are last years odds. I drew under the special draw last year with 3 points… Point being I think we will see a lot of people who jump for special trying to dump points.

I’m sure they I’ll probably be wrong, but nothing out there says Special has to have better odds, it just typically does due to economics. Certain tags have had better odds under the regular draw in the past.

ETA according to the WY fish and game website 2987 people put in for a NR special general tag as a first choice in 2022, 350 were successful, so I’m not sure where you are getting 19.5%

There will still be plenty of people in the std, at the most if would drop a hair from last year which took over 4pts to draw but I bet it still takes more to draw this year then last in both the special and std, there are only 7,250 tags available.

 

[wapitibob]

3.7500 was 100% in regular gen last year

 

[Rifleman86]

you're looking at the demand report, which was created before all the nr special gen tags were issued

Got it! Didn’t know realize that. Like I said, I knew I was probably going to be wrong.

 

[wapitibob]

they don't tell anybody how all that works, they have been averaging about 300 extra licenses being added to bring us up to our 7250 quota. Special gen is the only data field where the demand report isn't accurate.

 

[Rich M]

Wonder what next year’s thing will be.

WY will keep trying until something hapoens.

I cant handle uncertainty.

 

[String&stick]

Big thank you to all of the RESIDENTS that spoke out against this (yes there were a lot and they are the ones who have voted that count). Without the lot of you who knows how these outfitter welfare bills would have gone!

 

[String&stick]

Wonder what next year’s thing will be.

WY will keep trying until something hapoens.

I cant handle uncertainty.

Maybe it's their way of getting some points burnt. . . Float some scary NR stuff every year or two and get more people to use their points instead of sitting on the sidelines collecting!

I would love for them to move the application date back to May 1st, but then require you to apply if you wish to receive another point.

 

[dieselchessy]

Maybe it's their way of getting some points burnt. . . Float some scary NR stuff every year or two and get more people to use their points instead of sitting on the sidelines collecting!

I would love for them to move the application date back to May 1st, but then require you to apply if you wish to receive another point.

If they required you to apply to get a point then points creep would skyrocket. As it is maybe 1/4 or less of points holders apply for the relatively few tags available. If 100% of the points holders applied it would be a mess.
But that would give Wyoming a literal ton of money to hold for a few months and then return. Thinking the logistics of that would be painful.

I believe many states have found selling points, which is essentially selling nothing, to be a lucrative business. They sell fractions of a percent of a chance at a tag and make crazy money doing it.

I buy them myself, and I find it crazy what we will pay for 0.1% chance at a tag. But pay we do. LOL

 

[longhornq]

Funeral pyre.

 

[LostArra]

"states have found selling points, which is essentially selling nothing, to be a lucrative business."

Mr Bankman Fried found the same thing selling "boxes" that only had value because other people kept putting money in them and no one wanted to be left out of the box.

There are presently 168,000 non resident elk hunters with at least one point. Might as well join the crowd. They must be worth something.

 

[wapitibob]

Nothing will pass next year, it'll take too many votes. 2025 will be the soonest.