WY Corner crossing update

[BwanaKubwa]

Oh BS I heard that same crap when Montana passed stream access.

Go try to purchase some land bordering a river in Montana that's "devalued".

You might be right. But if I had money to buy a ranch I don't think I'd buy the ranch that is 50 percent open to the public. I'm new to rokslide but you must be the resident dickhead that likes to argue about what shade of blue the sky is.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I thought that's why we had the hundreds of thousands of cattle guards?

The cattle guard is in place instead of a gate.

 

[Wyobohunter]

You might be right. But if I had money to buy a ranch I don't think I'd buy the ranch that is 50 percent open to the public. I'm new to rokslide but you must be the resident dickhead that likes to argue about what shade of blue the sky is.

The public land is not part of his ranch. The private land would not be open to the public. It’s not that complicated. Think it through before posting nasty comments and you’ll appear a little more intelligent.

 

[nibbler]

I hope this sets precedent to all the western states.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I hope this sets precedent to all the western states.

I hope so too. If the hunters win.

 

[wapitibob]

I didn't read the whole thread but I don't think landowners have any responsibility to mark their private lands as private in Montana. It's on the hunter to know who's land they're on. If corner crossing gets approved it will devalue at least 1 large ranch near me by millions of dollars. The whole place is a checkerboard of state land that is currently off limits. Sure would be interesting

Nobody gives a crap about the lost value except the clown who feels entitled to use others land as his own. Saw it here when the irrigation company piped the canal and homeowners lost their view.

 

[204guy]

The cattle guard is in place instead of a gate.

You can't live in WY and not know the cattle gaurd joke.

 

[BwanaKubwa]

The public land is not part of his ranch. The private land would not be open to the public. It’s not that complicated. Think it through before posting nasty comments and you’ll appear a little more intelligent.

Currently the public can't access the public land. The ranch grazes the private and guides hunters on it. I'd say the "public land" is part of the ranch.

Do you understand? And you call me a dummy?

 

[Wyobohunter]

Currently the public can't access the public land. The ranch grazes the private and guides hunters on it. I'd say the "public land" is part of the ranch.

Do you understand? And you call me a dummy?

Does the rancher own the public land? Nope. I didn’t say you were a dummy, I said you’d appear more intelligent. You can be something; then be more of that thing. Thanks for playing.

 

[Wyobohunter]

You can't live in WY and not know the cattle gaurd joke.

Aha! Yes, I know it. I realize you were referring to the “how much do we pay those guys anyway?” thing.

 

[307]

Does the rancher own the public land? Nope. I didn’t say you were a dummy, I said you’d appear more intelligent. You can be something; then be more of that thing. Thanks for playing.

Why would you want to own something (and pay taxes on it) when you can control and use it for almost nothing?

 

[Billy Goat]

Does the rancher own the public land? Nope. I didn’t say you were a dummy, I said you’d appear more intelligent. You can be something; then be more of that thing. Thanks for playing.

Here's part of the problem that seems to be ignored to me.

1976 -- Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA, the BLM's legislative "charter") repeals homestead laws and establishes policy of retaining public lands in Federal ownership. FLPMA requires that these lands be managed for multiple uses and sustained yield through land-use planning.


Basically before you could own without actually owning. When you surrounded you controlled it.

So in essence, many areas prior to '76 were largely controlled by the surrounding owner. That's why they used the checkerboard practice.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Why is it that some of the Wy residents on this site always have to be type a, alpha jack wagons? Man it gets old. Constantly raging on dudes for typing their opinions….

A lot of these ranches are indeed marketed for total acres, including the public landlocked or checker boarded within. Their price is inflated because of the public land within. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m pretty sure that was the guys point.

 

[Billy Goat]

Here's part of the problem that seems to be ignored to me.

1976 -- Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA, the BLM's legislative "charter") repeals homestead laws and establishes policy of retaining public lands in Federal ownership. FLPMA requires that these lands be managed for multiple uses and sustained yield through land-use planning.


Basically before you could own without actually owning. When you surrounded you controlled it.

So in essence, many areas prior to '76 were largely controlled by the surrounding owner. That's why they used the checkerboard practice.

I'm just pointing this out because to me it seems to be the Ape in the room that nobody has acknowledged. The Federal Land Policy and Management Act completely changed everything and seemed to have just created public land out of sections that were never meant to be public domain. I'm sure others on here know more about it than I do tho. Just a lot of old policies from railroad and other ventures that have clouded things.

 

[Bighorner]

I'm not a realeaste broker or appraiser, but that associated land is for the federally leased grass in addition to the deeded ground. The additional grass is tied to the number of animals that can be grazed. There was a time when the price of the ranch was tied directly to agriculture.

There is a big misconception that these leases include the exclusive recreaction right, which they don't. Just like it's not tied to the minerals rights. A purchaser may see added value in land locked federal parcels, but they are not guaranteed exclusive use. That is an assumption they are making.

 

[cnelk]

I joined the Cattle Guard many years ago.

Great retirement plan

 

[Wyobohunter]

Bobbyboe:
“Why is it that some of the Wy residents on this site always have to be type a, alpha jack wagons? Man it gets old. Constantly raging on dudes for typing their opinions….”


I imagine you confused the post below as something a WY resident typed. I don’t believe he is from WY.

I'm new to rokslide but you must be the resident dickhead that likes to argue about what shade of blue the sky is.

 

[Bighorner]

Here's part of the problem that seems to be ignored to me.

1976 -- Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA, the BLM's legislative "charter") repeals homestead laws and establishes policy of retaining public lands in Federal ownership. FLPMA requires that these lands be managed for multiple uses and sustained yield through land-use planning.


Basically before you could own without actually owning. When you surrounded you controlled it.

So in essence, many areas prior to '76 were largely controlled by the surrounding owner. That's why they used the checkerboard practice.

My understanding is that really large swaths of checkerboard we see in southern wyoming came about as a essentially a land grant to the RR. A lot of that area wasn't suitable for homesteading so it ended up BLM after it was proven up.

The FLPMA is something I'm really not familiar with at all.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Bobbyboe:
“Why is it that some of the Wy residents on this site always have to be type a, alpha jack wagons? Man it gets old. Constantly raging on dudes for typing their opinions….”


I imagine you confused the post below as something a WY resident typed. I don’t believe he is from WY.

Nope, he’s new, but spot on. It’s an impressive read of personality from a single post. Buzz is one of many people I was referring to.

Furthermore, I have no idea who that guy is, but he’s simply stating a fact. He isn’t defending the ranches, just stating that their value will decrease if precedent is set that corner crossing is legal. He correct and I have no sympathy for the ranches.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Something interesting, and related. Not all private landowners use the checkerboard to block public access to public land. Some even allow the public to hunt on their land as well as allow access through it. I’ve hunted on grazing association land.

Rock Springs Grazing Association — Public Lands Foundation

publicland.org