WSJ article on CWD

[Desk Jockey]

 

[Desk Jockey]

While not specifically inflammatory, this kind of article concerns me because it raises the profile of the issue in the non hunting public without a lot of context, support or offering much in the way of ideas for management.

 

[kentuckybowman]

they call it a growing problem without one piece of scientific evidence to that fact. less than 1% of deer that get the disease die from it.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[doc holiday13]

they call it a growing problem without one piece of scientific evidence to that fact. less than 1% of deer that get the disease die from it.

I semi agree with your sentiment. Apparently some deer live with it for years and then others start going crazy at age 3.

That hemorrhagic fever is more concerning and seems to have bigger impacts on populations IMO

 

[30338]

Someone should share that 1% statistic with the CO DOW. They can stop issuing excessive amounts of doe tags at any time now.

 

[SuperDUECE22]

Has the disease actually spread faster as the article says or are states just testing more with better forms of testing.

 

[wytx]

kentucky I wish our numbers were only 1% dying from it.
Lots of misinformation floating around.

 

[Jimbuck]

Kentucky - I think your confusing your facts on this one. Less than 1% of the total deer population contract CWD but mortality rate is ~100% for those infected.

 

[southLA]

Are state agencies considering lockdowns for the deer? The data suggests this is better than masking.

 

[wind gypsy]

they call it a growing problem without one piece of scientific evidence to that fact. less than 1% of deer that get the disease die from it.

Got any links to support this?

 

[LostArra]

This is a much more interesting article about CWD

Cache collectors | Wyoming Game & Fish Department

Hiking into the backcountry in search of animals cached by a mountain lion may sound unnerving, but it’s all in a day’s work for Cyrena Bedoian. Each day Bedoian, a mountain lion ecology technician with the University of Wyoming’s Haub School of Environment and Natural Resources, goes to the...

wgfd.wyo.gov

 

[SummitsCalling]

Viewable link for those without access

Deer Disease Threatens Herds Across the Country

Officials are struggling to halt the spread of chronic wasting disease, which threatens the health of deer, elk and moose herds.

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[Bubbadoyle]

Kentucky - I think your confusing your facts on this one. Less than 1% of the total deer population contract CWD but mortality rate is ~100% for those infected.

I don’t buy this one but. I own land in Wisconsin in a high CWD area. I’ve owned this land for roughly eight years. Deer tested in this area test positive at around a 40% clip. In all the years I’ve owned this property I haven’t seen one deer that looks or acts sick. I’ve found three dead deer on the property, one of those was gutshot and the other two were within 50 yards of the highway and likely hit by cars. This is an area with no shortage of deer. My brother counted almost 30 in the six acre field in the late season last year. It makes no sense to me how this can be a high deer density area, have a roughly 40 percent positive test rate for CWD, CWD be 100 percent fatal, and yet I find only two dead deer on my property in eight years that I can’t positively confirm what killed them and even those two likely died from being hit by cars. Why have the deer densities in these high CWD areas stayed high for many years? It just doesn’t make any sense to me. This is just my personal observation and maybe I’m missing something but I just don’t see the results they’re preaching.


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[wind gypsy]

I don’t buy this one but. I own land in Wisconsin in a high CWD area. I’ve owned this land for roughly eight years. Deer tested in this area test positive at around a 40% clip. In all the years I’ve owned this property I haven’t seen one deer that looks or acts sick. I’ve found three dead deer on the property, one of those was gutshot and the other two were within 50 yards of the highway and likely hit by cars. This is an area with no shortage of deer. My brother counted almost 30 in the six acre field in the late season last year. It makes no sense to me how this can be a high deer density area, have a roughly 40 percent positive test rate for CWD, CWD be 100 percent fatal, and yet I find only two dead deer on my property in eight years that I can’t positively confirm what killed them and even those two likely died from being hit by cars. Why have the deer densities in these high CWD areas stayed high for many years? It just doesn’t make any sense to me. This is just my personal observation and maybe I’m missing something but I just don’t see the results they’re preaching.


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I think people misrepresent things on both sides of the coin. I've noticed in a lot of writing there is always the addition of "100% fatal" or "always fatal" before CWD. There can be some pretty long incubation periods before any symptoms are shown, up to several years. Most wild deer populations primarily consist of young deer. So sure, 100% fatal *if they dont get shot, hit by a car, eaten by a predator, succumb to a rough winter, get killed by other deer, get caught in a fence, die from other injuries, etc for multiple years. What are the odds any deer currently living is going to live for 2-3 more years anyway? Real low at least for most wild bucks.

The fact that you're not seeing obvious visually sick deer or dead deer but 40% test positive is part of what is concerning to many. It points to the fact that there are that many living disease transporters out there. People point to not seeing a bunch of deer dropping dead as an indicator of CWD not being as big of a deal. With something like CWD, I wish it killed ungulates within days of infection.

Have you seen any changes to prevalence of older deer over the years?

 

[Bubbadoyle]

I think people misrepresent things on both sides of the coin. I've noticed in a lot of writing there is always the addition of "100% fatal" or "always fatal" before CWD. There can be some pretty long incubation periods before any symptoms are shown, up to several years. Most wild deer populations primarily consist of young deer. So sure, 100% fatal *if they dont get shot, hit by a car, eaten by a predator, succumb to a rough winter, get killed by other deer, get caught in a fence, die from other injuries, etc for multiple years. What are the odds any deer currently living is going to live for 2-3 more years anyway? Real low at least for most wild bucks.

The fact that you're not seeing obvious visually sick deer or dead deer but 40% test positive is part of what is concerning to many. It points to the fact that there are that many living disease transporters out there. People point to not seeing a bunch of deer dropping dead as an indicator of CWD not being as big of a deal. With something like CWD, I wish it killed ungulates within days of infection.

Have you seen any changes to prevalence of older deer over the years?

No change at all since I’ve owned it. Almost every mature buck that I know makes it through the season shows up the following season as well. There’s been a couple of mature does that like to blow the second I step on the property. I’ve seen zero impact from CWD, that’s why I really question the 100 percent fatal aspect.


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[Blowdowner]

Uh oh brace yourself for texts from your aunt/sister/ex/mom

 

[kda082]

I no longer enter the chili contest at work thanks to the zombie deer articles. Got tired of explaining.

 

[ETtikka]

Overpopulation is the biggest factor, correct??

 

[Archer86]

Kentucky - I think your confusing your facts on this one. Less than 1% of the total deer population contract CWD but mortality rate is ~100% for those infected.

As far as I am aware there is not test yet for use on live deer so how can we say it's 100 percent fatal with out testing a group of deer known to have it control every aspect of there life until they die and then confirm it was from cwd until then the 100 percent claim is pure speculation.