Would you buy this scope?

[Schmo]

To be fair, he did give an opinion on benefits of scope like he had used it, when really he hadn’t and was just repeating what someone else told him.

Sounds like parroting.

I’ve done it too and try not to at this point. I think If everyone here only gave opinions on things they have done themselves it would be a more beneficial place.

I guess I failed, but I tried to make it clear that it was opinion, and not fact. I started my comment with “I’d say”, implying opinion

 

[omicron1792]

I guess I failed, but I tried to make it clear that it was opinion, and not fact. I started my comment with “I’d say”, implying opinion

Dude. No worries. Like I said I’ve done it too. Trying not to anymore. I know you were just trying to help.

 

[HuntHarder]

No pissing match wanted, it's just hard to see uninformed opinions on a scope that's 6 months from actually being used. As of now, we have 3 samples.... 3, that have been used for less than 2 months. Durability is hardly proven.. Sure LOW " knows how to build a durable scope," but by most accounts this is a new errector system as well.... Hardly proven durable, long term.

Does it appear to be durable? Sure. VERY SMALL sample size tho.

Is the glass "better" than NX6? There might be 20 people in the world that can give an opinion on this.. maybe. Neither scopes are even released yet. Only some samples.

 

[RancherJohn]

All three scopes have been used this week in temperatures ranging from -1* to 50* without issue. Even at single digit temperatures, the mag, parallax, and elevation turrets have all been excellent, retaining tactile feel and ease of use. Even without knowing subtensions, most shooters have picked up on the reticle’s features (especially the box) quickly and started using them subconsciously.

 

[khuber84]

I find it very interesting Vortex came out with the 4-24 Razor and Night force selects ONLY this power range to not offer in FFP. I would put money on all 3 scopes using the same new 6x erector. How they spec'd out the rest of the scope will be the real difference (coatings, turrets, reticles, durability features, etc). Likely Vortex has the initial exclusive and NF will follow suit in 12-24months with a FFP 4-24. This is a very common practice in other industries.

The 4-24 razor is built on the same bones as the zeiss S3 4-25 and delta stryker 3.5-21. That pedigree has been in the wild for some time.

I feel the reason NF never brought forth a ffp 4-24, it's size, weight, and mag range would directly compete and likely outsell the 4-16, 4-20, 5-25 atacr and 4-28 nx8 models.

 

[benconfused]

All three scopes have been used this week in temperatures ranging from -1* to 50* without issue. Even at single digit temperatures, the mag, parallax, and elevation turrets have all been excellent, retaining tactile feel and ease of use. Even without knowing subtensions, most shooters have picked up on the reticle’s features (especially the box) quickly and started using them subconsciously.

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What scope ring is that with the bubble level?

 

[RancherJohn]

What scope ring is that with the bubble level?

Hawkins. Form prefers the NF rings (he can expound on the reasons), but these were what was on hand when this scope got mounted.

 

[THLR]

Me trying to sort the posts in this thread..

 

[Moose83]

Me trying to sort the posts in this thread..
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My feelings exactly!

 

[gtriple]

Hawkins. Form prefers the NF rings (he can expound on the reasons), but these were what was on hand when this scope got mounted.

I love my Hawkins rings with the bubble level. They’ve passed my drop test with an NXS and Maven.

 

[JDZ]

We would then test each one individually on the collimator as it arrives to Idaho and ship to you in order.

As for testing scopes, every scope will be tested in a collimator before it ships to the customer.

Could somebody explain the collimator testing to us? What are you testing for? Correct tracking, reticle dimensions, parallax shift?

 

[Frozenlead]

I would assume they are doing something similar to night force or gunwerks. Ryan posted a video of the Revic tests back when he had Aaron on the podcast. Impacting and checking for reticle shift. This should be the video


https://vimeo.com/1103265945/e2db8717cd?share=copy

 

[PopNFresh]

curious what the failure rate is on those tests but no company would disclose tgat I'm guessing, how many NF's and revics get caught and refurbed at the shop

 

[RockAndSage]

@Formidilosus , I was finally able to put in a few hundred rounds of standing unsupported with the ZP5 today, and something stood out significantly that relates to the S2H scope here.

Is the S2H scope's dot illuminated bright enough to be visible in daylight?

The reason I ask, is the THLR in the ZP5 has the illumination essentially non-existent in daylight, barely showing up at all on the brightest setting on a very overcast day after the sun went down. On 5x, the center dot is very difficult to pick up at speed. There were no problems at all with it in prone, or in any kind of slow, aimed fire - I like the tiny dot quite a bit in that context. But at speed it pretty much gets lost. This made it extremely difficult to stay target-focused in that context, as there was little reference other than the three main posts, and to a lesser degree the Aim Short dot, and my eye kept getting drawn to what was essentially emptiness between those four references trying to find the aiming dot. I also found myself occasionally, inadvertently aiming off the Aim Short dot, or the top of the vertical post, rather than between those two. It got a bit easier after a couple of hundred rounds, but it was still more like shooting with a donut/circle reticle than an actual aiming point.

Now, I know the ZP5's not designed to do stuff under 200yds "at speed" like a red dot, etc, but I also suspect the problem would be entirely eliminated with a dot that was illuminated bright enough to be visible in normal conditions.

How well is the center dot on the S2H scope illuminated?

IIRC, you also modified the dimensions of the center dot a bit for the S2H variant - is it much bigger than the ZP5's?

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus , I was finally able to put in a few hundred rounds of standing unsupported with the ZP5 today, and something stood out significantly that relates to the S2H scope here.

Is the S2H scope's dot illuminated bright enough to be visible in daylight?

The reason I ask, is the THLR in the ZP5 has the illumination essentially non-existent in daylight, barely showing up at all on the brightest setting on a very overcast day after the sun went down. On 5x, the center dot is very difficult to pick up at speed. There were no problems at all with it in prone, or in any kind of slow, aimed fire - I like the tiny dot quite a bit in that context. But at speed it pretty much gets lost. This made it extremely difficult to stay target-focused in that context, as there was little reference other than the three main posts, and to a lesser degree the Aim Short dot, and my eye kept getting drawn to what was essentially emptiness between those four references trying to find the aiming dot. I also found myself occasionally, inadvertently aiming off the Aim Short dot, or the top of the vertical post, rather than between those two. It got a bit easier after a couple of hundred rounds, but it was still more like shooting with a donut/circle reticle than an actual aiming point.

Now, I know the ZP5's not designed to do stuff under 200yds "at speed" like a red dot, etc, but I also suspect the problem would be entirely eliminated with a dot that was illuminated bright enough to be visible in normal conditions.

How well is the center dot on the S2H scope illuminated?

It isn’t daylight bright. It is a pin prick of light when illuminated. Making it daylight visible would mean it would be too bright for low light use.

IIRC, you also modified the dimensions of the center dot a bit for the S2H variant - is it much bigger than the ZP5's?

The center dot is significantly larger than the original THLR, and some of the line thicknesses are thicker. Most people send up aiming on 3-6x with the box for precision stuff.

 

[RockAndSage]

It isn’t daylight bright. It is a pin prick of light when illuminated. Making it daylight visible would mean it would be too bright for low light use.

If you came up with a variant with double the brightness, I'd pay double for the scope.

The ZP5's pretty choice for low-light/no-light, but it's overly cautious, IMO. If LOW can do NF's scopes with legit NV settings through varying levels of "daylight bright" in the same scope, there's got to be a way to find a happy medium where you get competent low-light settings, and reasonably visible daylight ones.

Not joking on the price. It would be worth it to me.

 

[Formidilosus]

If you came up with a variant with double the brightness, I'd pay double for the scope.

The ZP5's pretty choice for low-light/no-light, but it's overly cautious, IMO. If LOW can do NF's scopes with legit NV settings through varying levels of "daylight bright" in the same scope, there's got to be a way to find a happy medium where you get competent low-light settings, and reasonably visible daylight ones.

Not joking on the price. It would be worth it to me.

Man, it’s really not worth it. The THLR in the ZP5 is not the THLR that is in the S2H. There have been no complaints about aiming for quick shots on 3-6x with the S2H version. The ZP5 one I must go to 7-8’ish X to see the center.

The only scopes that have appropriate illumination for true low light use are the German and European scopes (and now this one) and they don’t go bright enough for daylight use. NF uses a different system, and the illumination is way too bright for lowlight use. The illumination does get decent bright (not daylight bright though), but it does bleed some when turned all the way up.

 

[RockAndSage]

There have been no complaints about aiming for quick shots on 3-6x with the S2H version. The ZP5 one I must go to 7-8’ish X to see the center.

This is great to hear, that's a big difference. Really looking forward to getting ahold of these S2H scopes.

 

[Formidilosus]

This is great to hear, that's a big difference. Really looking forward to getting ahold of these S2H scopes.

We’ll see what you think when you try it.