Would you buy this scope?

[IDVortex]

I'm a total retard to the entire reticle. (and I am going to be just like the fng who posts in the .223 for his first post stating the .223 is to small instead of reading back)

But with how the design of the THLR, if it is designed to make your eyes naturally focus with the center, would this not cause you to want to drift back to the center if trying to hold for wind? Or is this one of those things it's over thought of, and not practiced enough to become second nature?

 

[43.6N]

I'm a total retard to the entire reticle. (and I am going to be just like the fng who posts in the .223 for his first post stating the .223 is to small instead of reading back)

But with how the design of the THLR, if it is designed to make your eyes naturally focus with the center, would this not cause you to want to drift back to the center if trying to hold for wind? Or is this one of those things it's over thought of, and not practiced enough to become second nature?

I think you might be overthinking it a little.

 

[IDVortex]

I think you might be overthinking it a little.

Figured as much.

 

[Dobermann]

I'm a total retard to the entire reticle. (and I am going to be just like the fng who posts in the .223 for his first post stating the .223 is to small instead of reading back)

But with how the design of the THLR, if it is designed to make your eyes naturally focus with the center, would this not cause you to want to drift back to the center if trying to hold for wind? Or is this one of those things it's over thought of, and not practiced enough to become second nature?

Quick tips:

• Go back through Form and Thomas's posts in this thread.
• Find my post or two in this thread that lists the various places to learn about the original THLR reticle.

 

[43.6N]

Figured as much.

Forms write up on the Minox test included the wind brackets explanation with pictures.
Worth reading through, and figuring out what that means for your gun.

But basically you are going to be much closer to center than I think you are assuming.

5mph wind at 500yds with a .5bc bullet = .5mil hold. Aka the edge of the box.
Same bullet and range, but 10mph wind= 1.0mil hold. Near center of the “moderate wind bracket”

Again, strongly recommended to reference the original Minox post.

 

[Clark33]

I'm a total retard to the entire reticle. (and I am going to be just like the fng who posts in the .223 for his first post stating the .223 is to small instead of reading back)

But with how the design of the THLR, if it is designed to make your eyes naturally focus with the center, would this not cause you to want to drift back to the center if trying to hold for wind? Or is this one of those things it's over thought of, and not practiced enough to become second nature?

Hey! You’re like me! Hence I’ll just buy the plain mil reticle one lol

 

[Kimber7man]

For sure. I used to import from Europe and it was pretty standard to wire before the shipment. It was always a little stressful turning loose all of your cash and waiting for the product to get to you. CBP sometimes took their sweet time clearing the shipments adding to the wait. Broker fees added to the cost. If I recall any shipment $2K or over in value had to be handled by a broker who interacted with CBP, you couldn’t do it yourself. Under $2K was much simpler, you just waited for the call from the shipper that it was all clear to pick up.

I’ll add that the above is a very simplistic version of what has to be done or what happens when importing goods. There’s a lot involved initially to do it correctly and to stay out of trouble with CBP. If you don’t do it right your goods you’ve payed for can get seized with no recourse to get it back and you lose your money. End of story. So think of some of this and be happy these guys are offering up the product for the price they are asking.

Yeah,
Try getting an Amazon FBA account and buying/shipping/importing/selling from Japan/China/wherever. Amazon don't make it easy....

 

[letrbuck]

stay off Rokslide for 1 day and I missed it.





All you nerds need to get a life

 

[SloppyJ]

I might be misunderstanding you ... but while the stadia thickness are the same, the lengths are difference - which will draw the eye towards the center, as well as being quicker for reading the mils for wind holds.

Actually, looking at it again, i misread it. They are tapered in height as you move outward. It's the thickness thats the same. Thats what I get for trying to decipher it on my phone earlier today.

 

[svivian]

I havent seen it mentioned but I am curious. @Formidilosus are you satisfied with the testing so far for this release? Would you say its still too early and they should have waited to release?

At this point in the thread will we just be seeing updates on how the scopes are performing like we would for a normal evaluation?

I only ask since we went from testing to preorder in a short time period. I think selling 500 scopes in 1.5hrs speaks towards the confidence folks have at this stage.


Also, if you think there is BS now in this thread just wait 7-9 months from now.

Meme for good measure

 

[Bluumoon]

Forms write up on the Minox test included the wind brackets explanation with pictures.
Worth reading through, and figuring out what that means for your gun.

But basically you are going to be much closer to center than I think you are assuming.

5mph wind at 500yds with a .5bc bullet = .5mil hold. Aka the edge of the box.
Same bullet and range, but 10mph wind= 1.0mil hold. Near center of the “moderate wind bracket”

Again, strongly recommended to reference the original Minox post.

Lets try some useful info, real world use of the THLR reticle.

Windy day here. Grabbed the 22CM w the Minox. Was guessing steady 8mph 90 degree wind. Dialed for 450, held edge of the reticle box (medium wind) missed slightly off the side. Corrected hold for 12mph 1.5 (wind value for this rifle) x 700 yards (put me in the "high wind bracket") 4/4 at 700 yards on 10" plate

 

[43.6N]

Lets try some useful info, real world use of the THLR reticle.

Windy day here. Grabbed the 22CM w the Minox. Was guessing steady 8mph 90 degree wind. Dialed for 450, held edge of the reticle box (medium wind) missed slightly off the side. Corrected hold for 12mph 1.5 (wind value for this rifle) x 700 yards (put me in the "high wind bracket") 4/4 at 700 yards on 10" plate

Hell yes. Thank you.
Any chance for pictures of the wind brackets in action?

 

[nm.otter]

 

[Bluumoon]

Hell yes. Thank you.
Any chance for pictures of the wind brackets in action?

I’ve tried to get pics through the scope and it’s not really working w my phone.

 

[43.6N]

I’ve watched his vids before, but like anything else I always pick up more the second time around. Thanks for posting @nm.otter

This time around it really stood out how the wind brackets inform you about your expected error for your wind call. “if bracket fits inside of the target, you know your bullet will impact inside of the target”

 

[dårlig jeger]

Those videos make wind calls look so easy! Why don't all scope reticles use that?!

 

[nm.otter]

Those videos make wind calls look so easy! Why don't all scope reticles use that?!

Because they were designed by people who don't actually hunt with them.

 

[Bluumoon]

I might miss the aim short dot, prob not really, but it’s clever. The view through the simplified version is going to be amazing though and I’m sure worth the trade off.

With the three dots I can dial in for 300 yards and it’s basically point and shoot out to 400. Yes, you can do this with basic mil reticle, but not nearly as fast.

Deer and elk size game, I suppose I could still leave it dialed for 300 yards and anything inside of that it wouldn’t matter being a few inches low.

 

[JDMBEND]

I might miss the aim short dot, prob not really, but it’s clever. The view through the simplified version is going to be amazing though and I’m sure worth the trade off.

With the three dots I can dial in for 300 yards and it’s basically point and shoot out to 400. Yes, you can do this with basic mil reticle, but not nearly as fast.

Deer and elk size game, I suppose I could still leave it dialed for 300 yards and anything inside of that it wouldn’t matter being a few inches low.

Curious why the aim short was eliminated? Not that it will make a huge difference.

 

[Formidilosus]

I havent seen it mentioned but I am curious. @Formidilosus are you satisfied with the testing so far for this release? Would you say its still too early and they should have waited to release?

No, there isn’t much more that could have been done other than 10,000+ rounds through each of these three. If something is wrong, we’ll know way before they ship. There in the class now, and working well.

At this point in the thread will we just be seeing updates on how the scopes are performing like we would for a normal evaluation?

Probably, but I will start the standard eval thread when able.