Would you buy this scope?

[nm.otter]

Who is Zero Tech? Never heard of them.

From https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/s2h-winter-rifle-course-observations-lessons.396611/post-4060997

To pile on that question, is there a measurable difference between nl14s and meopta 15s for these scenarios?

No. On that note, we had a pair of ZeroTech Trace 15x56mm’s that were very solid. They’re the only non Swaro/Leica/Meopta 15’s that have seen that were worth using.

 

[Ryan_1129]

I’m sure this has been covered but when will those scope be available to order

 

[9487329]

I’m sure this has been covered but when will those scope be available to order

July. Either of this year or not this year

 

[Formidilosus]

The T3 shot a 1.7” horizontally strung group with the proof scope- something is broke somewhere and will have to be tracked down.

Mounted one of the Proto scopes in the Bat Hammerhead 308- it is not bonded, but has been used to drop eval scopes. With a NF Milspec it has about .1 mil +/- shift on 36” drops every once in a while. The proof group with the new lot# of Federal 308T was 1.5”- the worst group I have ever seen a gun shoot that ammo, but still acceptable for checking zero shift.


This drop eval was conducted on hard packed, frozen ground with a single 1/2” padded shooting mat (not two mats as normal for the drop eval).

Scope was bore sighted and 3 rounds fired.- top. Read reticle and adjusted. Left dot was the remaining 7 shots. Adjusted up .1, and left .2. Center dot was next 3- I adjusted up .1 mil before the drop portion, this was a mistake.



First shot with no drops hit very top of the 12 o’clock on the dot. Then I did 15 drops from 36” (not 18”).


The mistake of the last adjustment is seen.


Then I conducted two more rounds of 15 drops at 36”. For a total of 45 drops from 36” on hard packed frozen ground.




There was no POI shift from first shot to the end of 45x 36 inch drops.

I adjusted down .2 mils, and shot ten rounds-



Down .2 mils was too much again. Next I will do the RTZ portion.



RTZ-





Adjusting (“tracking”).

The two dots feel between 7.3 and 7.4 mils. I used 7.4 mils.

Bottom at zero



At 7.4 mils of elevation. Spot on.




All shots-





Conclusion:


Scope worked correctly. Held zero through 45 drops from 36”- all shot inside the cone of the gun. RTZ and “tracking” were as good as can be shot live fire in the field.


Onto scope #3.

 

[Formidilosus]

Last post updated with RTZ.

 

[prm]

45 drops and the deer would still be dead. That’s a solid start.

 

[9487329]

For a total of 45 drops from 36” on hard packed frozen ground.

mom can you come get me, form's drunk again

 

[Ryan_1129]

July. Either of this year or not this year

So……..not for awhile lol

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m sure this has been covered but when will those scope be available to order

When it has proven itself. Maybe this summer, maybe later if revisions need to be made.

 

[Formidilosus]

45 drops and the deer would still be dead. That’s a solid start.

It didn’t shift out of the cone for 45 drops. At least for that, it’s about as good as it gets.

 

[9487329]

It didn’t shift out of the cone for 45 drops. At least for that, it’s about as good as it gets.

You've mentioned at some point that there's only one scope out there that has the fully bonded/glued internals on top of an already "drop safe" design. Was that requested with this scope, or is that proprietary or cost prohibitive?

 

[Formidilosus]

Post #2647- the eval from today has been updated with all shots.

 

[Formidilosus]

You've mentioned at some point that there's only one scope out there that has the fully bonded/glued internals on top of an already "drop safe" design. Was that requested with this scope, or is that proprietary or cost prohibitive?

Correct. NF Milspec. It cannot be done at LOW from what I understand.

 

[HighUintas]

Correct. NF Milspec. It cannot be done at LOW from what I understand.

Probably a topic for another thread, but you mentioned your test rifle being bonded. Is there any bonding material that can be used for a factory Tikka stock or rokstock that won't destroy the bedding when removing the action (just removal for barrel replacement)

 

[rbutcher1234]

Probably a topic for another thread, but you mentioned your test rifle being bonded. Is there any bonding material that can be used for a factory Tikka stock or rokstock that won't destroy the bedding when removing the action (just removal for barrel replacement)

He’s got a tikka glued into a KRG bravo, which has a metal backbone. You aren’t going to get any bonding agent that will glue together the action and non-metal stock and then allow you to remove without damage. The standard method of removing these things is heat. You can heat two metal things and then separate, you aren’t going to be able to do that on a non-metal action interface.

You can bed, put release agent on the action, and then that would be fine. It wouldn’t be glued together like an AI, forms KRG, etc, but zero retention of fully bedded actions is good.

 

[JDZ]

Adjusting (“tracking”).

The two dots feel between 7.3 and 7.4 mils. I used 7.4 mils.

Making sure I understand: you’re measuring the distance with a spotting scope?

Scope worked correctly. Held zero through 45 drops from 36”- all shot inside the cone of the gun. RTZ and “tracking” were as good as can be shot live fire in the field.

Balls. Another thing to save my pennies for.

 

[gbflyer]

You can glue one in a regular fiberglass stock. If you don't get a mechanical lock somewhere, like glue wrapped around the action, around the trigger hangar, etc., it will still come out. Put it in the freezer overnight and whack the barrel with a dead blow and it comes out. Our BR guns would come unglued from time to time because of cleaning solvents.

 

[Formidilosus]

Probably a topic for another thread, but you mentioned your test rifle being bonded. Is there any bonding material that can be used for a factory Tikka stock or rokstock that won't destroy the bedding when removing the action (just removal for barrel replacement)

There is not. As rbutcher stated, you need two metal surfaces. And also as he stated, a properly bedded stock and action will hold zero.

 

[Formidilosus]

Making sure I understand: you’re measuring the distance with a spotting scope?

Correct. Usually the scopes reticle, but this scope doesn’t have enough mils in the reticle to do so cleanly.

Balls. Another thing to save my pennies for.

It’s gets better…

 

[Formidilosus]

Scope #3.

Same gun, ammo, rings.


Bore sighted. Two shots- high, read reticle and adjusted. Next 8 shots on the left dot.



Drop Portion:
Same gun, ammo, rings. Same terrain and mat placement- hard packed, frozen ground.

Shot on the same dot from above on the initial zero. 15x drops from 36”. No point of impact shift whatsoever.




Post drops:



RTZ:

Apparently rifles get more accurate when you drop them.



TBC…