Would you buy this scope?

[Formidilosus]

If the reticle was "done right" (LOL) then I wouldn't worry about dialing with the 2-8 version. BUT..... everyone is so hung up on dialing even with reticles that BY DESIGN were put together to eliminate having to dial... IE basically EVERY tree, BDC, holdover reticle... that if it doesn't have at least an exposed elevation turret, it probably wouldn't sell enough to recoup costs.

Holding elevation will always be slower to hit, with more misses than dialing elevation and holding wind. Nothing changes due to 8x.

 

[Formidilosus]

This initial scope didn’t get down to the original goal.

Because it would require a ground up new design which is 2’ish years.

Seems reliable guts in a scope come with a weight penalty. Could likely push the weight down with SFP. I don’t know how/why but there is a FFP weight penalty as well. The little ffp credo weighs the same as the 2.5-15 x 42 SFP. The SWFA 3-9 is a bit lighter, so hopefully they can get this thing down. Either way, if they put a 2-8 on the market I’ll buy several. If the credo 2-10 had a decent reticle it would be perfect.

It is possible to get a reliable scope under 20iz.

 

[Formidilosus]

Whose boal do I gotta wallop to get a SWFA 3-9 with the S2H reticle, capped wind, and low profile elevation turret w/zero stop?

With smaller turrets you’d already be under the 20oz 3-9. Perfect scope. Done.

When this current scope comes out, let the manufacturer know that is what you want.


If enough people let them know that they want a proper LW 3-9x type scope, it will happen.

 

[Formidilosus]

Crossed replies!

Yes sir.

Ffp and dialing=makes perfect sense.

Combining that with 2-8 magnification is just unconventional. Which I should expect from you, BUT its not where my mind went when you threw out “2-8x36”. I’m really just curious to see what you guys interpret that scope as, and how or if it fits into my use, that’s all. I find that magnification more interesting than 3 to 18. My question is really whether it’s a “crossover from hunting at home to sometimes hunting in the west” scope, or if it would make me happy as a “dedicated hunting at home” scope. Which is definitely a devil is in the details question and likely far too early to say. But you have my attention.

I understand. The 2-8x ‘ish scope, is the scope that would go on almost all of my general use rifles regardless of state or location.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hold 900 yards of elevation in a 70 mph wind just in case the aliens land in a hurricane”… is the moment that an FFP reticle can be made correct. And the , there is no advantage to a SFP scope.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hang Christmas ornaments off my elevation turret just in case the aliens land and outlaw Christmas trees”… is the moment made for purpose turrets can be made that are dialable, and will not get accidentally moved.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Whose boal do I gotta wallop to get a SWFA 3-9 with the S2H reticle, capped wind, and low profile elevation turret w/zero stop?

With smaller turrets you’d already be under the 20oz 3-9. Perfect scope. Done.

I’m with you, except I’d much rather have the SWFA 3-9x42 reticle.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Yes sir.





I understand. The 2-8x ‘ish scope, is the scope that would go on almost all of my general use rifles regardless of state or location.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hold 900 yards of elevation in a 70 mph wind just in case the aliens land in a hurricane”… is the moment that an FFP reticle can be made correct. And the , there is no advantage to a SFP scope.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hang Christmas ornaments off my elevation turret just in case the aliens land and outlaw Christmas trees”… is the moment made for purpose turrets can be made that are dialable, and will not get accidentally moved.

Say it louder!

And as far as the 8-9 ish max power, as soon as people realize that’s plenty of zoom to be making shots on game out to 600-700, which is all 99.99% of hunters Will or should ever do, this scope makes even more sense. As long as it lets in enough light and has clear enough glass to be functional in the first/last few minutes of legal. I’m way more exited about this potential scope than the 3-18


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[Formidilosus]

Say it louder!

And as far as the 8-9 ish max power, as soon as people realize that’s plenty of zoom to be making shots on game out to 600-700, which is all 99.99% of hunters Will or should ever do, this scope makes even more sense. As long as it lets in enough light and has clear enough glass to be functional in the first/last few minutes of legal. I’m way more exited about this potential scope than the 3-18


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Hey now! The 3-18x will be legit and will be an excellent all around scope.



But yes.

 

[Macintosh]

Yes sir.





I understand. The 2-8x ‘ish scope, is the scope that would go on almost all of my general use rifles regardless of state or location.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hold 900 yards of elevation in a 70 mph wind just in case the aliens land in a hurricane”… is the moment that an FFP reticle can be made correct. And the , there is no advantage to a SFP scope.

The moment that someone lets go of “I need to be able to hang Christmas ornaments off my elevation turret just in case the aliens land and outlaw Christmas trees”… is the moment made for purpose turrets can be made that are dialable, and will not get accidentally moved.

I am definitely not the “shooting 900 yards in the reticle/christmas ornaments” guy. Far from it. So I’ll be looking forward to see this one, it has a lot more potential to find a home on one of my rifles than any 3-18.

 

[rbutcher1234]

Light, reliable, correct tracking, correct reticle, FFP, 2-8x36 is exactly the scope that everybody needs and should honestly be using.

 

[Dobermann]

Honestly id love to see a fixed 8x. Everyone is real queer about the SWFA 6x but I actually prefer the fixed 10. A fixed 8x with the THLR I think would be perfect

A fixed THLR reticle would work, certainly.

But the real value of the THLR reticle becomes apparent when used throughout the mag ranges. It's one of the rare FFP reticles that is genuinely useful at low power, and has increasing usable features (rather than decreasing, as in the case of some Christmas trees) at higher magnification - because the detailed elements seen at high mag are close to the center dot and in the usable 'workspace', not 20 MOA out from center.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

At the right price point (under $1000), I can see myself purchasing one 3-18x for a dedicated longer range rifle. It’s just not exactly my style. But it seems to fit what most people want in the wider shooting world. It makes sense to lead off with that (just like the Reaper or OG 6.5 should have been the first Unknown suppressors).

Done properly, a reliable 12-20 ounce, FFP, dialing, zero stopped, capped windage, 2-8x36 would be the scope I would want on all my other hunting rifles. I could see myself purchasing at least two, and probably more like four, of those. I’d love something that was better for hunting purposes - across the spectrum - than my SWFA 6x, 10x, 1-6x, and 3-9x scopes.

And, yes, I would love an SWFA 8x gen2 at $350-400, but I’d rather have Form’s ideal 2-8x at $600-800 (a man can dream, right?).

Of course, the perversity of the market is that listing the scope at a more expensive price would probably attract more attention. I wouldn’t be shocked if the 3-18x sold better at a list price of $1499, with a RokSlide discount of $500.

 

[pattimusprime22]

Ya, I was thinking for a fixed power, a standard mildot variant like the SWFA milquad with some thicker posts would be enough for me.

 

[betelgeuse]

If the reticle suits you, it’s fine. For me and a lot of others, the reticle is a complete fail. Not only that, it’s heavier than the 3-9x SWFA which is the current best scope on the market in that power range.

I have the SWFA 3-15 mil quad. It's actually a good piece. I use it at the range

I used to shoot the 12x and it was great at the range as well. They are pretty good stuff. People that don't know look at them funny.

 

[wyosam]

Because it would require a ground up new design which is 2’ish years.






It is possible to get a reliable scope under 20iz.

Awesome, looking forward to it!


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