Would you buy this scope?

[ztc92]

Try this.

This is gold, great post/link.

 

[RockAndSage]

Try this.

That's about the 3rd time I've looked at that thread, and the more I learn over time, the more I pick up when going back to these posts I last saw a year or more ago. Good stuff.

 

[nm.otter]

I knew I'd seen a mid-zoom image someplace. Finally found it today thanks to this.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Yep, I think it just clicked in my lizard brain.

I like the SHR-MIL in the RS1.2, but 6x is about my floor with it on targets. I bet I'll like this reticle more.

 

[Schmo]

Yeah, that simplified THLR should be really awesome. The other runner up, in my book, would be a mil version of the Burris ballistic E3 reticle, with half mil windage subtensions.

 

[Packmansion]

The thick bottom post on the THLR is awesome. Why not run the tip of the big bottom post 0.2 mills of the center of the reticle. Keep the windage. I dont hold elevation when huntomg idk about you guys.

 

[Packmansion]

Expectations of what? If it’s having a usable reticle through all mag range, than if you were to look through it in person, you’d see it satisfied that.

Maybe, for looking into dark areas it would probably not work well. For now ill stick with sfp on my hunting guns.

 

[Cmack0102]

Because a 3-12 sub 20oz scope made as we wanted was a ground up 2-3 year project and a pretty large upfront cost. Tough to do first when an option was available that would get a whole lot right that we didn’t like about what is currently on the market.
The 3-18x scopes in the market weren’t doing anything we wanted- however, something new was offered so that was chosen.






The amount of people that want to buy a 3-12x is significantly less than those who will buy a 3-18x done right. Ryan and I both want the scope that was originally posted about. However, it’s a long term deal. If these scopes (which we also wanted) do well, then there will be more coming in the future.

If we want the 3-12x on the 2-3 year timeline, is there anything we can do in addition to buying the 3-18x? Is there any way that the upfront cost could be shared by those that want to see this come to market?

Thanks for putting the time and effort into developing this and for involving us in the process.

 

[atmat]

Maybe, for looking into dark areas it would probably not work well. For now ill stick with sfp on my hunting guns.

It works great for that.

 

[z987k]

Found samples on the on Google. I would say that does not meet my expectations. Below is a sample of a march reticle that has both first and second plane reticle. Not a fan of the styling but the general concept offers a lot of potential.View attachment 961879

That reticle is a hot disaster. Terrible hunting reticle.

The P3L, while not perfect is a whole lot closer.

 

[lak2004]

That reticle is a hot disaster. Terrible hunting reticle.

The P3L, while not perfect is a whole lot closer.

Agree, that reticle sucks in every way possible. There is no point for dual reticles in a scope. If you can't shoot a FFP scope, don't or practice more. It takes a little time to get used to but is fairly easy to see. If you can't see it well enough at 3 power, turn to the mag up and learn your FOV limits that way. I bet with a day of shooting one, almost anyone can get it figured out.

 

[Dobermann]

That's about the 3rd time I've looked at that thread, and the more I learn over time, the more I pick up when going back to these posts I last saw a year or more ago. Good stuff.

Have you also gone back and looked through all of Thomas's videos about it?

(Some of them aren't labelled that in his channel ... some videos that show the reticle are just general hunting/shooting videos, where he just happens to show the reticle and/or comment on same aspect of its design and application ... I think I may have linked to one or two of them in the ZP5 thread ...).

Making sense of Thomas's comments about the reticle can be a bit of an iterative process - I found it useful to watch his videos, read the ZP5 eval and Q&A threads, watch the videos again, and read the threads again ... this made it all 'gel' a bit better.

 

[RockAndSage]

Have you also gone back and looked through all of Thomas's videos about it?

(Some of them aren't labelled that in his channel ... some videos that show the reticle are just general hunting/shooting videos, where he just happens to show the reticle and/or comment on same aspect of its design and application ... I think I may have linked to one or two of them in the ZP5 thread ...).

Making sense of Thomas's comments about the reticle can be a bit of an iterative process - I found it useful to watch his videos, read the ZP5 eval and Q&A threads, watch the videos again, and read the threads again ... this made it all 'gel' a bit better.

"Iterative process" hits it right on the head. I've only made it through a few of his videos for that reason, and for not having a ZP5 on hand to more easily apply the info. Almost pulled the trigger on it, then this Rokscope with a simplified THLR reticle started getting discussed, and decided to wait before diving into all of that info intensively. The Minox, for me, would be like a 16yo getting a Ferrari - a lot going on with far more capability than I can handle, on top of not being optimally efficient for what I need and can do with it. The simplified reticle in a smaller package is right on the money for me though. Will definitely be revisiting those videos.

 

[nm.otter]

Will definitely be revisiting those videos.

There's a playlist that has most (or possibly all) of them.

 

[RockAndSage]

There's a playlist that has most (or possibly all) of them.

Between you guys sharing these THLR posts/vids, and @huntnful sharing load development and other vids, the rabbit holes of interesting $h*t have become a vortex. It's really good stuff.

 

[huntnful]

Between you guys sharing these THLR posts/vids, and @huntnful sharing load development and other vids, the rabbit holes of interesting $h*t have become a vortex. It's really good stuff.

Hahaha I love it. There’s so many random areas to dive into and look around at. You can be like “yeah I like this stuff for sure” or look into something and think “damn these guys are nuts thinking that matters that much” lol.

I really like the looks of this potentially new scope and reticle. I think it will be a great addition to hunters! Hopefully they make it in MOA also….

 

[Dobermann]

There's a playlist that has most (or possibly all) of them.

I'd not seen this before - thank you so much for posting it. I'm going too have to watch them all to make sure I've seen them all before.

Have you added this to the ZP5 Q&A thread? I think that (and the eval thread) are now the most thorough sources of THLR reticle info on the internet ...

Thanks again!

 

[nm.otter]

Have you added this to the ZP5 Q&A thread?

Thank you for the suggestion -- I just added it.

 

[atmat]

Hopefully they make it in MOA also….

 

[Fowl Play]

Even if all the ranging stuff is removed, I do not see myself using the aim short dot or the aim long dot — just excess clutter IMO. And honestly think the features of the wind brackets are too cartridge and range specific to be applicable to a wide hunting market across different calibers and ranges. The broken lines and spacing is unnatural to me and harder to use with standard wind calls then just a normal consistent graduation pattern would be.

If anyone’s used this reticle and can provide real world examples of how these features were better than standard dialing for range and holding for normal wind calls, I’d love to hear about it. I am open minded.

I personally think you are going to hurt your number of sales using this reticle. Especially if Maven comes out with a 3x18 version using their MIL reticle. That reticle is slightly harder to see at low power, but still perfectly usable (it’s basically a standard duplex at 2.5x). And the windage sub-tensions can be picked up and used by anyone without having to go watch a bunch of videos and read articles about wind brackets that may or may not be applicable to them.