Would you buy this scope?

[silasbowhunter]

Not yet ... but have you checked out the eval and Q&A thread for the ZP5?

Form gives both an analysis of the THLR reticle (@wyosam - those threads might help to make more sense of it; it's far from a 'mess').

He also has an edited version of the reticle to show what it looks like to the brain during actual usage. There's also a discussion of what elements could possibly be done away with in a pure hunting reticle.

Add all three of those reference points up, and my guess is you'll have a pretty good idea of what this one will end up looking like.

Form posted this in that Minox eval thread. I’d guess it’s something pretty similar with maaaaybe some sort of “depth of chest” ranging bars that measure around 18” for quick field ranging of animals.
Idk it’s gonna be sweet though


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[RockAndSage]

Form posted this in that Minox eval thread. I’d guess it’s something pretty similar with maaaaybe some sort of “depth of chest” ranging bars that measure around 18” for quick field ranging of animals.
Idk it’s gonna be sweet though


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With what's in that image, plus a set of 18" quick-range bars on the lower right or left, going out to 500yds, that would be the perfect reticle for absolutely everything I would do with this scope.

It's very frustrating to pretty much have other reticles generally be limited to 1) Stuff designed by, needed by, and genuinely useful to legit snipers/PRS/ELR but is either overkill or just hieroglyphics to everyone else, 2) Stuff meant for Tactical Timmys that becomes nearly useless in low-light field conditions or low-power in FFPs, or 3) Fudd stuff that, at best, is pretty limited in what you can do with it.

Really liking this simplified THLR. A lot.

 

[RockAndSage]

With what's in that image, plus a set of 18" quick-range bars on the lower right or left, going out to 500yds, that would be the perfect reticle for absolutely everything I would do with this scope.

It's very frustrating to pretty much have other reticles generally be limited to 1) Stuff designed by, needed by, and genuinely useful to legit snipers/PRS/ELR but is either overkill or just hieroglyphics to everyone else, 2) Stuff meant for Tactical Timmys that becomes nearly useless in low-light field conditions or low-power in FFPs, or 3) Fudd stuff that, at best, is pretty limited in what you can do with it.

Really liking this simplified THLR. A lot.

Form posted this in that Minox eval thread. I’d guess it’s something pretty similar with maaaaybe some sort of “depth of chest” ranging bars that measure around 18” for quick field ranging of animals.
Idk it’s gonna be sweet though


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I wonder if you could just use the vertical hash marks along the horizontal bar as 18" range finders...are their heights used for anything else right now? @Formidilosus ?

 

[letrbuck]

Sigh... *unzips wallet*

 

[bbckfh]

With the creep in specs since the original proposal (I’d have bought that), I’m holding out.

But yes, I’m in the market. And yes, the name of the company (primarily for support/warranty) matters.

So right now it’s a qualified “probably-ish”?

 

[bbckfh]

And can I add @Ryan Avery :

One of the things I love most about Leupold are their locking turret buttons. But best of all are those alumina caps. Could we just make it so that they thread into this? That can’t be a huge ask?

Worth their weight in gold in adverse weather conditions. Far better than a neoprene tube.

 

[brucemt]

I would buy at least one - at a time.

 

[Lando]

I would buy one or more too.

 

[Scottyboy]

I’m very much in the market. Buy a 1.2 or other, or wait and see what this is? Any chance it’s early (before summer) 2025 available?

 

[softbatch7236]

I'll be in for at least 1, and 1 on every rifle I build for my kids (not sure how many that'll be).

 

[JWZissou]

Big fan of a German #4 reticle…not sure what the final design will be on this scope. Will follow this thread with interest.

 

[doc holiday13]

Needs Some better low end magnification. 1.5 or 2x

 

[Grizzle]

Anyone else thinking this could be a huskemaw branded scope? Jarrod Millar is working there now and seems to share a lot of techniques and training style to things I've read and heard from form. Seems like the perfect guy to listen to guys like Ryan and form on a design and could be in a position to bring things to market. I've also heard some hints that huskemaw has new designs in the works and are trying to re invigorate the brand

 

[z987k]

Big fan of a German #4 reticle…not sure what the final design will be on this scope. Will follow this thread with interest.

There's no wind holds on a German #4. That's a short range only reticle.

Needs Some better low end magnification. 1.5 or 2x

With 12x on the top end? In FFP? The bottom 3/4 of the mag range the reticle would be invisible.

I don't think people realize they're asking for things that would make this really really bad.

 

[copperhead121]

absolutely

 

[wind gypsy]

With 12x on the top end? In FFP? The bottom 3/4 of the mag range the reticle would be invisible.

I don't think people realize they're asking for things that would make this really really bad.

Well the maven reticle is workable 2.5-15x i'd think the same could be done with a 2-12? Id much rather stick with 4x erector and have a 3-12 than 6x for 2-12 as I see little upside in going from 3 to 2 on the bottom end vs my perception of the additional challenges/compromises of 6x vs 4x erector.

 

[wind gypsy]

Perhaps one day your eyes will tell you otherwise. It happens…

Have you found the NXS compact parallax adjustment to make a significant difference? In the one I had, i couldn't even tell it was doing anything when I adjusted it. Generally liked it but didn't like it enough more than 2+ SWFA 3-9s and going from moa to mil back when I had more rifles to scope.

 

[keystone112]

I wonder if the shape of the objective will be more like a Maven RS1.2 and SHV 4-14 or kind of compact like a NX8 2.5-20.

I am hoping for the more traditional stretched out version and not the squished compact.

Partly for aesthetic reasons and I also want more space for the front ring.

 

[wind gypsy]

I wonder if the shape of the objective will be more like a Maven RS1.2 and SHV 4-14 or kind of compact like a NX8 2.5-20.

I am hoping for the more traditional stretched out version and not the squished compact.

Partly for aesthetic reasons and I also want more space for the front ring.

The whole general tone of this optic (not chasing zoom range or making compromises that make it difficult to build) aligns with a longer or more traditional form factor IMO. Longer scope, modest zoom range seems to align with more easily making a scope with a generous eye box, forgiving parallax adjustment, and deep depth of focus.

 

[NDHUNTER24]

I would buy one. If the eye relief is good id likely buy another. Can anyone explain in simple terms which erector system 3X, 4X, or 6X is better and why?