Would you buy this scope?

[LongWayAround]

So my question then becomes.

If you use meters then everything is base 10. Easy peasy.

If you use yards you still have to calculate change to yards. So how does that offer advantage over moa?

It doesn't matter. A mil is a mil whether it's yards or meters. You don't have to calculate anything other than your drop at a defined distance.

Maybe at 400 yards your correction is 2.2 mils. If it's 400 meters, your correction would still be 2.2 mils.

It also makes wind correction easier. Ballistic coefficient 0.5, cross wind at 5mph, hold 0.1 for every 100 whatevers.

 

[omicron1792]

No - you're measuring in mils. As in, "Come left two mils" - as you both see it in your optics. Whatever distance you're shooting at, that 2 mils is still too mills in the scope.

Wouldn’t that be the same as “come left two moa.?”

This is all serious question. I’ve never used mil scope.

I have all my ballistics calculated so I know how much to come up/down and left/right for my load when hunting. What benefit does holding two left mil offer over holding two left moa?

 

[omicron1792]

It doesn't matter. A mil is a mil whether it's yards or meters. You don't have to calculate anything other than your drop at a defined distance.

Maybe at 400 yards your correction is 2.2 mils. If it's 400 meters, your correction would still be 2.2 mils.

It also makes wind correction easier. Ballistic coefficient 0.5, cross wind at 5mph, hold 0.1 for every 100 whatevers.

Ok. That makes sense.

I just memorize what my hold would be for wind based on 5/10mph wind. But it typically is 1, 1.5, and 2 moa for most hunting distances.

 

[Okie_Poke]

If you use yards you still have to calculate change to yards.

Why? Others have covered this better elsewhere, but put it in your calculator and use what it spits out.

The main advantage to mils in my opinion is that I think faster and remember better in base 10. 1.2 is easier to remember and dial to me than 4 1/4, for example. Also, the solvers I have all spit out MOA solutions in decimals that I then have to convert to the nearest quarter. In mils, there's no extra step.

There's also "quick drop" and "wind brackets/mph gun" that works better in mils, but I'm not the person to explain all of that as I'm still learning to use the wind thing in particular.

Ok. That makes sense.

I just memorize what my hold would be for wind based on 5/10mph wind. But it typically is 1, 1.5, and 2 moa for most hunting distances.

MOA works too. I still have and use MOA scopes, but I'm trending to all mils because it is simpler to me, even if it's a small thing for my uses.

 

[Bluumoon]

Quick drop and quick wind start at post 91

MK5 HD vs NX8 . . Thoughts?

Agree. Great read. My takeaway was I should have got my 2.5-10 NXS in mil instead of MOA! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

rokslide.com

 

[ElPollo]

Wouldn’t that be the same as “come left two moa.?”

This is all serious question. I’ve never used mil scope.

I have all my ballistics calculated so I know how much to come up/down and left/right for my load when hunting. What benefit does holding two left mil offer over holding two left moa?

The real benefit to using a Mil scope is that the math is simpler. MOA adjustments are in 0.25 units. Mil adjustments are in 0.1 units. Doing the math in your head on tenths is significantly faster than 1/4s. Look up the threads on “quick drop” and “wind brackets” here. Once you understand those, you will never want to use an MOA scope again.

 

[ElPollo]

Bluumoon posted the link for the quick drop explanation.

Keep in mind that both MOA and Mils are measuring angles not distance. A measurement in either units can be applied at any distance scale, be it inches, mm, rods, chains or parsecs. The issue that makes Mils easier is that fact that your scope adjusts in tenths instead of quarters. Quarters just make the calculations more difficult and slower.

 

[ElPollo]

If you are someone who prefers having someone explain things to you, this YouTube link from Form is spectacular.

 

[omicron1792]

All great info. Thanks!

I have moved to FFP scopes. I imagine this new “rokscope” will push me to mils also!

 

[omicron1792]

Form is less chubby than I thought he would be! Ha

 

[trickyricky3898]

Form is less chubby than I thought he would be! Ha

 

[Runwilderness]

Form is less chubby than I thought he would be! Ha

Are you sure that’s his real silhouette?

 

[Dobermann]

Wouldn’t that be the same as “come left two moa.?”

This is all serious question. I’ve never used mil scope.

I have all my ballistics calculated so I know how much to come up/down and left/right for my load when hunting. What benefit does holding two left mil offer over holding two left moa?

@omicron1792 - as well as the video @ElPollo posted, have you read the thread I posted earlier?

 

[omicron1792]

@omicron1792 - as well as the video @ElPollo posted, have you read the thread I posted earlier?

I did. I’m learning a lot.

 

[Beetroot]

All good.

And here's something weird: I thought I'd got rid of all of my LRTS/LRHS 3-12s, and had always regretted it. But when tidying up the man cave/gun room today, I found an LRTS 3-12 in FDE. Now I have no idea what to do with it - feels like it's been surpassed by the Maven RS 1.2, and no doubt will be by the new Rokslide venture ... but I'm really not sure what I'd do with it ...

If it’s in NZ and you want to sell it/lease it/lend it, let me know.
I’ve been looking out for one for a while.

 

[chindits]

Yes. I even zero my moa scopes at 100 meters

My pace count is based on meters, the MGRS is based on meters

If I don’t have my range finder or gps/cell phone, I can pace out my targets for practice or I can land navigate day or night anywhere with just a map, compass and magnetic declination even in areas with no terrain features.

I still use feet for elevation though

 

[NSI]

Most rounds are so flat in the 100yd/m range that initial zero distance doesn’t matter so much for calculations down the line, just throw the right distance in your calculator so it can establish the right angle.

Mil vs MOA is about the ready use of quick drop and wind bracket tools. Using MOA for wind brackets is mentally exhausting because of the way the math coincidentally works out on most cartridges. Either angular method is better than trying to translate from reticle markings to discrete distance measurements, which is functionally useless.

-J

 

[Beetroot]

If we are making predictions.

It'll be a LOW made scope through another company, maybe a Bushnell LRHS2 but I've heard Bushy is very difficult to work with and has a lot of issues with CS so it's probably more likely to be Trijicon.
I'm guessing it won't be a 3-12 unless it's from Bushy, if from Trijicon it'll be a 2.5-15x42 FFP, THLR type reticle, weight 24oz, capped wind, exposed windage.


Based on posts 672, 711, 713, 717, a little about how the industry works, and a whole lotta guessing.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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So…is there an estimated time on this hitting the market? I don’t need exact dates. I just bought a new rifle and rather put my trusted leupolds on top…I’d be willing to sip some kool aid. I like kool aid.

 

[dirtshooter]

How about a version of the NF IHR Reticle?