Will 6 Creedmoor go the way of 7 SAUM?

[nm.otter]

Multi-quote is your friend...

 

[RME]

There should be room for both.

What "should be" isn't a factor. The only thing that matters is sales. There's room for as many as they can make if people are buying them. Sales slow down, SKU's go away, Simple as that.

 

[Kimber7man]

Multi-quote is your friend...

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[ckleeves]

So if 7SUAM failed, why did 7 PRC blow up? 100% it's marketing.

Or it’s the fact that the 7 PRC is twisted properly and has correct freebore for the heavies and fits in the action length it was designed for. 7 saum was crammed into a model 7 action with a 10 twist and the factory loads with 140’s didn’t really compete with the long established 7 rem mag. It was before LR hunting was popular so the freebore /twist rate wasn’t a big deal but I think it was just a hard sell at a time when velocity was king.

It’s a great cartridge in Tikkas/med actions but it is kinda a weird length. If medium actions were more popular and it was released 5 years ago with good factory 168-175 grain bullets and correct freebore/twist for them it probably would be VERY popular today and the 7 PRC might not have been developed. But its fate in factory form was decided about 20 years ago.

Same with the .260, released at a time when 6.5’s weren’t real popular with the US market and 120’s out of a 1/9 didn’t set the world on fire. I have had Both a 260 (8 twist/.190 freebore) and 6.5 creeds and they are more or less same/same. So why would anyone chose the cartridge that has zero factory support with good LR bullets, more expensive and harder to find brass while you also get the treat of getting to trim more with the 20 degree shoulder. The Creed is simply the better cartridge in Saami form. The only thing keeping the 260 alive is people who hate the Creedmore.

 

[huntnful]

Just picked this up today. The SAAMI .183 freebore seems to accommodate the heavier bullets adequately. We’ll see how it shoots soon enough.

 

[Marbles]

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My thoughts.

Though, perhaps he just feels the need to reply to everything as he started the thread. I have the same temptation in threads I start, but try to resist it as it messes up the flow.

Or it’s the fact that the 7 PRC is twisted properly and has correct freebore for the heavies and fits in the action length it was designed for. 7 saum was crammed into a model 7 action with a 10 twist and the factory loads with 140’s didn’t really compete with the long established 7 rem mag. It was before LR hunting was popular so the freebore /twist rate wasn’t a big deal but I think it was just a hard sell at a time when velocity was king.

It’s a great cartridge in Tikkas/med actions but it is kinda a weird length. If medium actions were more popular and it was released 5 years ago with good factory 168-175 grain bullets and correct freebore/twist for them it probably would be VERY popular today and the 7 PRC might not have been developed. But its fate in factory form was decided about 20 years ago.

Same with the .260, released at a time when 6.5’s weren’t real popular with the US market and 120’s out of a 1/9 didn’t set the world on fire. I have had Both a 260 (8 twist/.190 freebore) and 6.5 creeds and they are more or less same/same. So why would anyone chose the cartridge that has zero factory support with good LR bullets, more expensive and harder to find brass while you also get the treat of getting to trim more with the 20 degree shoulder. The Creed is simply the better cartridge in Saami form. The only thing keeping the 260 alive is people who hate the Creedmore.

Yep.

I hand load and have 243 loads with heavies I like; I wanted to avoid the 6 Creedmoor out of spite, but kept looking at ways to fix the 243 shoulder angle and getting custom throats. Finally realized the 6 Creedmoor was what I actually wanted even though I had to get new dies and gauges.

I still like the idea of a 6 SLR or 6 SAW more, but the added trouble is not worth it compared to the creed, but none of those are garden variety 243, which further makes the point.

 

[RME]

I hand load and have 243 loads with heavies I like; I wanted to avoid the 6 Creedmoor out of spite, but kept looking at ways to fix the 243 shoulder angle and getting custom throats. Finally realized the 6 Creedmoor was what I actually wanted even though I had to get new dies and gauges.

I went through that same rodeo with the 260. Granted it was shortly after the 6.5 CM was released so I didn't know much about it at the time. It wasn't until later I realized I was spending a lot of money on a new barrel, custom reamer, and extended magazine/bottom metal to get a 260 to shoot the way a 6.5 CM shoots out of the box. It's not marketing, it's a better mousetrap.

 

[goathunter]

7 saum could be safely re-introduced with a factory fast twist barrel since noone has really actively chambered it forever. Without having to invent a new cartridge. Back its relaunch with a big ammo push. What's old is new again. Let's go Tikka

 

[MT_Wyatt]

So... the 6cm doesn't do anything a 1:8 243 can't already do. I think it's going to be a 6mm rem.

It do not believe it really do led anything different with exterior ballistics, no. The chambering dimensions/throat and shoulder geometry are arguably better for accuracy? Can’t hurt. Not an overwhelming factor but oft cited with 6.5CM (higher accuracy due to tighter chamber specs)

 

[UnckleBob]

7 saum could be safely re-introduced with a factory fast twist barrel since noone has really actively chambered it forever. Without having to invent a new cartridge. Back its relaunch with a big ammo push. What's old is new again. Let's go Tikka

That ship has sailed. There are now more 7's out there in the market and the 6.8W performs as good as or better than the 7 Sauk.

Hornady might try a 25 PRC because it is easy to nest down a 6.5 PRC.

Otherwise, I think all new cartridges are going to be high pressure rounds like the 277 Fury and 7 BC.

 

[goathunter]

That ship has sailed. There are now more 7's out there in the market and the 6.8W performs as good as or better than the 7 Sauk.

Hornady might try a 25 PRC because it is easy to nest down a 6.5 PRC.

Otherwise, I think all new cartridges are going to be high pressure rounds like the 277 Fury and 7 BC.

270 caliber doesn't have the bullet selection of the 7s. No 7 compares to the saum other than the SAW but they're pretty niche. Or WSM but it's even more gone. That I'm aware of anyways I'm no expert. I want an efficient short action cartridge I can load long on a medium or long action. I don't want to be load 77 gr powder or use a high pressure cartridge that's not reloader friendly