Wilderness Hunting Reciprocity. Good idea?

[mntnguide]

All it would take is a lawsuit against the state from any NR entity to escalate. Wilderness areas are federal lands and belong to the countries public, not WY.

For about the millionth time on these forums... you are not being prevented from accessing wilderness, go walk around as much as you want whenever you want, but the state, just like EVERY state, holds management of the animals within its borders and can therefore dictate where YOU can hunt them... also, it's been tried in courts multiple times, do a little research next time.

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[ORJoe]

Half of the western states would ban their own residents from hunting wilderness if they could.

 

[wytx]

All this big talk and yet nobody will put their money where their mouth is. Go file your lawsuit, we'll be watching.

 

[wyogoat]

All this big talk and yet nobody will put their money where their mouth is. Go file your lawsuit, we'll be watching.

Kinda like every other thread on this topic you mean? I’m surprised someone thought we needed a THIRD thread started on this when two others are still on page 1.

 

[mulecreek]

A better poll would be "Will those that consistently complain about Wyo's Wilderness Guide Rule ever get off their dead asses and actually follow through with their threats of change?"

 

[Archer86]

Creating this poll to see peoples opinion on if legislation should be proposed to prevent residents of states that ban wilderness hunting(Wyoming) for NR from hunting wilderness in other states. This would be a way to give NR power to say that the WY rule is BS. Is this a slippery slope or a worthy issue to take up?

Great idea we can also include if your state has no wilderness or public land to offer nr to hunt on you can't hunt the states that offer hunting on public land

 

[LostWapiti]

Well the yes votes are stacking upand nobody has yet admitted to being a WY resident to vote no…. But I see a lot of pissed off WY residents in the comments . Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Just observations here

 

[wyogoat]

Well the yes votes are stacking upand nobody has yet admitted to being a WY resident to vote no…. But I see a lot of pissed off WY residents in the comments . Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Just observations here

We aren’t. What issues in your state are Wyoming residents trying to change? I’m guessing the answer to that is none. Your glass house analogy doesn’t work in that case.

 

[ThorM465]

Your time and resources would be better spent lobbying your congressmen to enact legislation to reign in the unchecked powers of the state. I'd recommend legislation such as, "the states shall not discriminate against Americans based on residency for the purposes of managing fish and game on federal lands."

 

[svivian]

Your time and resources would be better spent lobbying your congressmen to enact legislation to reign in the unchecked powers of the state. I'd recommend legislation such as, "the states shall not discriminate against Americans based on residency for the purposes of managing fish and game on federal lands."

you sir are Ironic

 

[Braaap]

Sure. Then Wyoming should treat non-resident hunters like NV. I just checked, the most elk tags allocated to NR hunters in a unit is 9. 9 whole tags. Sounds fair. Wyoming's max tag per unit, including general, should be 9.

And the max tags for residents is 87 for that unit. NV is 90/10 resident non resident per the commission rules. We don’t have nearly the number of elk WY does so using the low number of tags without the proper context is unfair.

Is 90/10 fair in WY? Are you hoping for that change?

 

[LostWapiti]

Your time and resources would be better spent lobbying your congressmen to enact legislation to reign in the unchecked powers of the state. I'd recommend legislation such as, "the states shall not discriminate against Americans based on residency for the purposes of managing fish and game on federal lands."

No, powers not given to the federal government are left to the state, per the US constitution. Wildlife is “owned” by the state no matter what land it stands on. The wildlife is held in public trust for the benefit of the residents.

With what you said you open the door for private landowners to control the wildlife on their land.

 

[LostWapiti]

And the max tags for residents is 87 for that unit. NV is 90/10 resident non resident per the commission rules. We don’t have nearly the number of elk WY does so using the low number of tags without the proper context is unfair.

Is 90/10 fair in WY? Are you hoping for that change?

If WY residents want that then they can do that. They will probably lose a pile of revenue and need to find a way to make up for that but I’m not going to ever complain about how a state chooses to allocate its tags so long as it doesn’t create some sort of outfitter welfare system or feudal lord landowner advantage.

I don’t personally have a position on this WY issue and just started this thread for the survey because I wanted to get some data on the position of people, but I would have appreciated honest answers from WY residents to not skew the data.

 

[wyogoat]

If WY residents want that then they can do that. They will probably lose a pile of revenue and need to find a way to make up for that but I’m not going to ever complain about how a state chooses to allocate its tags so long as it doesn’t create some sort of outfitter welfare system or feudal lord landowner advantage.

I don’t personally have a position on this WY issue and just started this thread for the survey because I wanted to get some data on the position of people, but I would have appreciated honest answers from WY residents to not skew the data.

What honest answers didn’t you get? I voted “Yes” in your poll. If a state chooses that is in their best interest I support that. I can then choose to hunt there or not hunt there based on what they decide. It’s not that difficult.
One thing I promise not to do though is ever try to change anything in a state I don’t reside in or pay taxes in. I still can’t wrap my head around that audacity.

 

[Archer86]

Well the yes votes are stacking upand nobody has yet admitted to being a WY resident to vote no…. But I see a lot of pissed off WY residents in the comments . Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Just observations here

I would like to see the rule go then the outfitters would push for a dedicated draw and residents would get 90 5 5. Then there would be less people in the national forest areas also

 

[-bowfreak-]

Just deal with it.....it is law in Wyoming. It is not that big of a deal especially since Wyoming is pretty gracious with NR tags.

 

[Slick8]

My experience and foot print for Western big game hunting is somewhat limited.

IMO, two wrongs don't make a right. I'm choosing to drop WY from my out of state selection due to this and recent price increases. I may regret that at some point but I say vote with your check book.

 

[mulecreek]

I voted Yes as well. Still continue to believe that neither you or anyone else will do a single meaningful thing to get the Rule changed or implement a similar rule in your own State and time soon.

 

[mntnguide]

I vote yes as a resident of WY. Therefore, when this happens, all of you wont be whining about WY, you wont be able to hunt in any western state as a NR with wilderness. And, as a NR of those states, I surely wont be crying about not being able to hunt certain spots. . WY wilderness accounts for 5% of our public land, if you cant find elk outside of it, i can guarantee you wont inside it. Not uncommon to ride 20+ miles and not see elk in some areas. . . As someone who guided in the wilderness and hunts both every year, grass isnt always greener. I killed my big bull this year, well outside any wilderness line, and my buck was outside as well. . CRAZY right, any of you could have been hunting there.

 

[Jaker_cc]

I've lived in WY my whole life and hunted wilderness for the first time this year.
This proposed ban might affect a couple dozen people, but nobody that I know.

If I ever leave WY to hunt, it will probably be to hunt pigs or whitetails, or to head to AK or Canada. Maybe someday... but a ban won't have much of an effect on that.

If you want to come hunt pigs in Texas we’ve got plenty. We’ve killed 47 this season since October