Why this Stupidity should matter to you.

[dylanvb]

The biggest issue in my opinion is the Supreme Court has been tip toeing around the main issue of what the 2A protects and doesn’t. They define arms as common use, the AR15 is the #1 most commonly used and owned firearm yet these states still pass laws that go directly against this ruling with no repercussions. The state gets sued, that gets fought in the courts for years, then it gets overturned but in those years we lose our rights. It’s a rinse and repeat game in blue states. Look at CA. I just don’t know how you even fight against it. These politicians are protected and allowed to dictate the citizens in said states. You can’t sue them directly for these bills so how do you stop it?

 

[dylanvb]

If you dive further in these states and who is getting these laws even on the table to get voted on they all stem back to NGOs that are sponsored heavily by billionaires. What can be done against those?

 

[Sccritterkiller]

It's VA don't know why you folks act so suprised...they have always been anti-gun. They canceled CWP reciprocity agreements I while back, then they reinstated it after a couple year battle..removing my pistol from the holster an placing in on the dash while driving thru VA was just weird, but legal.
I pass thru VA every couple weeks
Got it down to 60mins, I don't speed, I don't stop, and I dont spend time/money there, just try keep moving and try not to get any of it on me.

Then next door in WV you have SB 1071 kicking around...Its to establish Office of Public Defense to sell FA machine guns to qualified state residents...#Merica!

 

[One300wsm]

It's VA don't know why you folks act so suprised...they have always been anti-gun. They canceled CWP reciprocity agreements I while back, then they reinstated it after a couple year battle..removing my pistol from the holster an placing in on the dash while driving thru VA was just weird, but legal.
I pass thru VA every couple weeks
Got it down to 60mins, I don't speed, I don't stop, and I dont spend time/money there, just try keep moving and try not to get any of it on me.

Then next door in WV you have SB 1071 kicking around...Its to establish Office of Public Defense to sell FA machine guns to qualified state residents...#Merica!

They just canceled the CWP along with the rest of these gun laws in last two months. Virginia has always been an open carry state which means I could walk into Walmart with an AR-15 on my back as long as Walmart didn’t have a sign up stating otherwise. Virginia has always had great gun laws, until the progressive lefties came into office. Governor Northam did this same and people actually showed up to protest 6 years ago. Virginia wasn’t and different than WV until this year.

God Bless America
Salute our Veterans

 

[mt terry d]

BS. This thread is about gun control, specifically in VA, where it is being passed almost 100% on party lines. It's not much different at the federal level. You can't give me a similar example of republicans cramming civil liberty violations down the throats of law-abiding citizens when they were in control of our state, because there isn't one. So don't give me that nonsense,.

The Patriot Act

"Virginia's two U.S. Senators in 2001—George Allen (R) and John Warner (R)—both voted Yea (in favor) on final passage in the Senate."

 

[One300wsm]

The Patriot Act

"Virginia's two U.S. Senators in 2001—George Allen (R) and John Warner (R)—both voted Yea (in favor) on final passage in the Senate."

Not a good example:
The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 passed the Senate with a near-unanimous vote of 98-1 on October 25, 2001
. The legislation received overwhelmingly bipartisan support just weeks after the 9/11 attacks, with both Republican and Democratic leadership supporting the bill. Only one senator, Russ Feingold (D-WI), voted against

 

[Sccritterkiller]

They just canceled the CWP along with the rest of these gun laws in last two months. Virginia has always been an open carry state which means I could walk into Walmart with an AR-15 on my back as long as Walmart didn’t have a sign up stating otherwise. Virginia has always had great gun laws, until the progressive lefties came into office. Governor Northam did this same and people actually showed up to protest 6 years ago. Virginia wasn’t and different than WV until this year.

God Bless America
Salute our Veterans

So you werent there back in early 2000s when you could only buy one handgun every 30 days?...like I said there have always had weird guns laws in VA, this latest action should suprise no one they been chipping away for 20+ years.

 

[Poser]

Most of the people who voted for this are dependent on the government. We went from a nation that valued independence and knew that dependency was antithetical to liberty and self-governance to one where the federal and state governments are the largest employers.

I'm always curious about these types of comments. When was the timeframe that you are referencing?
In other words, if we were to travel back in time to the golden years of independence, liberty and governance, what year are we visiting?

 

[One300wsm]

So you werent there back in early 2000s when you could only buy one handgun every 30 days?...like I said there have always had weird guns laws in VA, this latest action should suprise no one they been chipping away for 20+ years.

I’ve been in Virginia since 1965 I’m very aware of there gun laws and it wasn’t early 2000 it was put into law July 1 2020. You might want to get your facts straight before you start making statements you clearly know nothing about. You don’t need to worry about getting pulled over in Virginia with a firearm yet. But you best be real careful in Maryland they will lock you up, that’s another leftist liberal state against 2A rights.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

I’ve been in Virginia since 1965 I’m very aware of there gun laws. You don’t need to worry about getting pulled over in Virginia with a firearm yet. But you best be real careful in Maryland they will lock you up, that’s another leftist liberal state against 2A rights.

No worries there...I dont travel above the Mason-Dixson.

For the record one gun a month was in effect from '93 to '12 when it was repealed and it was reinstated 7/1/20...guess you "forgot" those years....VA has always been for lovers not gun owners, current legislation should suprise no one.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I'm always curious about these types of comments. When was the timeframe that you are referencing?
In other words, if we were to travel back in time to the golden years of independence, liberty and governance, what year are we visiting?

Anytime before about 1890. That’s not to say that it was ever perfect.

 

[Poser]

Anytime before about 1890. That’s not to say that it was ever perfect.

In certain ways, I can understand the basis for that date and, I'll add, I appreciate that you did not merely list the decade of your youth, which is what a lot of people default to.

~1890 was indeed around the beginning of the US government as an administrative state. I see that the Interstate Commerce Commission was established in 1897. There was also the Sherman Antitrust Act passed in 1890. This was also the timeframe that the US began to move into the Industrial Revolution with the majority of working Americans becoming wage workers.
And there are also the examples of the US becoming involved in foreign wars in the 1890s with conflicts and deployments in Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines.

But, let's be real: this golden age of pre 1890 liberty only applied to a very specific demographic: property owning, adult white males. For a financially secure white man, the pre-1890s United States offered a level unregulated freedom that may very well be unmatched anywhere in history. However, that was only likely ~10% of the population. Even if you excluded the property owning, financially secure criteria, you'd still under 25% of the population.

 

[Beendare]

I think the liberals pushing gun control are in 2 camps;
1)The Soros type power brokers that want to control the population
2) Their useful idiots

The first group knows the population will never be completely controlled when they are armed.

The second group is the majority of Liberals we see who have been programmed to think; "Why does anyone need a gun?" There are many of these Useful Idiots in my area...and I take a many of them as possible out to my buddies ranch to shoot...as many of them have never fired a rifle/pistol. It's usually an eye opener for them...a bit of a demystification- a gun is a tool that can be used for good or evil. In the right hands, it's an equalizer for the weak and unprotected.

The argument for guns to defend yourself is well documented by John Lott...a primer is his book; "More Guns Less crime...." or one of his many well researched articles. The media and liberal Dem politicians continually push the "Its the gun" narrative.

Once we can get Libs to understand- it's not the gun...but the bad people behind them that cause the problems, then we can effect a solution.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

In certain ways, I can understand the basis for that date and, I'll add, I appreciate that you did not merely list the decade of your youth, which is what a lot of people default to.

~1890 was indeed around the beginning of the US government as an administrative state. I see that the Interstate Commerce Commission was established in 1897. There was also the Sherman Antitrust Act passed in 1890. This was also the timeframe that the US began to move into the Industrial Revolution with the majority of working Americans becoming wage workers.
And there are also the examples of the US becoming involved in foreign wars in the 1890s with conflicts and deployments in Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines.

But, let's be real: this golden age of pre 1890 liberty only applied to a very specific demographic: property owning, adult white males. For a financially secure white man, the pre-1890s United States offered a level unregulated freedom that may very well be unmatched anywhere in history. However, that was only likely ~10% of the population. Even if you excluded the property owning, financially secure criteria, you'd still under 25% of the population.

The administrative state is one thing. The income tax is another. The closing of the frontier is another. The mass urbanization is another. But it’s also the era of widespread legislation based on class and race for free people. Whether that involved legal segregation or taking from the haves to give to the have nots (Socialism) or setting educated bureaucrats in charge of “ordinary people’s lives” (Progressivism). It’s the era of dividing Americans not into free and unfree (which, don’t get me wrong, was wrong), but into explicit legal classes and races. And your nonsensical example that you think it applied to only 10% of the population and your singling out one race and gender as the recipients of that freedom underlines the harm done.

Nearly any fair-minded person could look at how many free people there were in 19th century America, when compared with other countries, not look at how few there were.

And none of what you wrote is an argument as to why extending the privileges and immunities of citizenship to more people should have come alongside a loss of liberty for anyone. The goal of the framers of the Civil War Amendments was to bring all men up to the independence level of free-born white men, not to lower every citizen down into a situation where they are dependent on the government and in constant strife with each other.

At some point in my life, we went from tearing down the evil system of segregation à la the “I have a dream speech” to instituting a new system no less pernicious. It’s not surprising at all to me that the American center’s (as exemplified by Truman and Ike) realization that the segregation system was wrong and untenable in the face of the burgeoning Cold War and ideological conflict with the Soviet Union moved things in the right direction, while academics still sympathetic to our enemy formulated the theories that dominated campus politics at elite institutions in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and became ubiquitous everywhere in academia by the time I did graduate school in 2001-2005, and flooded the entire public sphere by 2020. And our new (old) enemies continue to reap the fruit from the same seeds they sewed in the 1960s.