Why Match/Target Bullets For Hunting

[wyosam]

Copper sucks with short barrels, small cartridges, and extended ranges. Thus forcing more people to: A) shoot higher recoiling rifles that they won’t practice with increasing their chance for wounding; or B) also increase the chance of wounding because they won’t know the velocity limitations of copper and will continue using short barrels, small cartridges, and taking pot shots at ranges they aren’t capable of making…

An increase in wounded animals that escape and aren’t retrieved/tagged sounds like a net negative for the environment and the animals in it.

Use copper if you want, especially if you know its limitations. Just don’t force it on the general public because the general public’s ballistic ignorance and lack of practice isn’t changing anytime soon.

People who don’t know what they are doing and make no effort to learn shoot all kinds of bullets, in fact they probably shoot what is cheapest (likely not copper). That’s a bad argument.


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[PBBananaHammock]

People who don’t know what they are doing and make no effort to learn shoot all kinds of bullets, in fact they probably shoot what is cheapest (likely not copper). That’s a bad argument.


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The cheapest is lead and would therefore be banned. So no they wouldn’t shoot that if forced into copper.

I have no desire to derail this thread, so I’m leaving the copper discussion to anyone of the many, many other copper/environment threads there likely are… but you won’t see me in those either because they make me want to stick my head in an oven.

 

[wyosam]

The cheapest is lead and would therefore be banned. So no they wouldn’t shoot that if forced into copper.

I have no desire to derail this thread, so I’m leaving the copper discussion to anyone of the many, many other copper/environment threads there likely are… but you won’t see me in those either because they make me want to stick my head in an oven.

I didn’t bring it up.


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[PBBananaHammock]

I didn’t bring it up.


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You’re right, that was my mistake. So I’m correcting it by leaving it at that.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Well I guess my reading comprehension sucks. I was under the impression that the overwhelming majority of people on this forum preferred the 147 eld-m vs. the 143 eld-x in the 6.5's.

In big game animals nobody will be able to tell the difference.

In what I’ve seen on ballistics gel and ply wood tests with reduced loads simulating various impact velocities, going back to when these bullets came out up until very recently, general performance has a slight edge favoring the ELDX.

Again, nothing that anyone would be able to distinguish in big game organs, scapula, or ribs. Shoot what shoots the best out of your gun.

 

[BjornF16]

In big game animals nobody will be able to tell the difference.

In what I’ve seen on ballistics gel and ply wood tests with reduced loads simulating various impact velocities, going back to when these bullets came out up until very recently, general performance has a slight edge favoring the ELDX.

Again, nothing that anyone would be able to distinguish in big game organs, scapula, or ribs. Shoot what shoots the best out of your gun.

What’s the consensus on 103 ELD-X vs 108/109 ELD-M?

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

What’s the consensus on 103 ELD-X vs 108/109 ELD-M?

No experience with the 109s.

103 ELDX and 108 ELDM is also nearly indistinguishable. Keep in mind that this is on basic approximated 10% homemade gelatin that would not meet a “standardization”. It’s easy to make at home though, and provides good enough info for what my immediate group has seen when translating to dead animals.

Performance on 1/4” ply wood and homemade gel with both bullets is very good. Neither upsets as violently as the 95 SSTs however, both penetrate deeper on average and wound channels are more consistent, especially with gel placed behind plywood instead of in front.

I would confidently hunt with any of those 3 bullets, shooting the SSTs in slower twist barrels and the ELDM and ELDX in faster twist. I generally shoot whichever is the most accurate in the gun or what I can get in the same lot number out of factory ammo.

 

[Unckebob]

Most people would not see a difference in animals. However, between those- if both are laying side by side, I will choose the 143gr RLD-X first.






Haha. How/why so?

Listening to the podcast, I had a vision of a 1/2 dowel rod poking through an animal.

It simply cannot do as much tissue damage as something with a wider wound channel.