Why is there no Long Range Hunting archery section ?

If you are shooting respectable groups at 100m you are way above average. The actual average shooter probably cant shoot a respectable group at half that distance.

I'm not sure about that mate, but I don't know. My mates and I are definitely better shots than most people we see in our local archery circles here in rural Australia, but that's not saying much. We do get to hunt year-round though so we're always in pretty good shooting condition. When I say respectable group at 100m as well I guess I'm talking about the size of maybe a volleyball? I haven't done it for a little bit as I need to tune more arrows for my wheels.

1. Influencer poachers (any poachers for that matter but those in the public eye are more harmful to hunters) shouldn't be taking ANY shots at game no matter this distance.

2. I personally don't shoot at critters at 100 with my bow or 1000 with my rifle but I do understand that others are more proficient than I am. Unfortunately it's a case by case basis so what works for me doesn't carry much weight when discussing what someone else can do, as you mentioned above.

I didn't say anything about Josh Bowmar or Levi Morgan as people, but surely people on the internet have the ability to debate and discuss topics with objective fact? I'm well aware of some of the legal issues that the Bowmars have found themselves in, but that doesn't change the fact that Josh Bowmar is a big strong man, who shoots a huge bow, and has proven on video time and time again that he can shoot to extreme ranges and get the job done.

And if Levi Morgan has a heap of controversy surrounding him, I don't know about it. You can dismiss the point I made because of mentioning Bowmar, but you can't argue with Levi Morgan's shooting ability, either.

There’s a difference because an arrow will not go faster than the speed of sound.

Yes, but at the same time, an animal may struggle to hear a bow go off at 80 metres, so the argument could be made that the chance of an animal moving or ducking as a result of hearing the bow go off is dramatically reduced at longer distance.

Not saying everyone should shoot a long way, but it's an interesting point all the same.
 
I like hunting with a recurve because it compliments my love of getting close.

A huge part of the hunt for me is working to setup a situation that will produce a close encounter. That is far more rewarding to me than simply shooting something at longer range be it bow or rifle.
 
I like hunting with a recurve because it compliments my love of getting close.

A huge part of the hunt for me is working to setup a situation that will produce a close encounter. That is far more rewarding to me than simply shooting something at longer range be it bow or rifle.

Absolutely.

Shooting a long way on targets is fun, and I like to be capable out to a long way in case I need to make a follow up shot, but being close is what makes it a lot of fun for me. I'm not motivated to hunt a long way, but I know some people are capable.
 
I would posit that the speed of sound is somewhat irrelevant. 1000+ yard rifle shot still takes a full second to arrive, assuming 3000fps - plenty of time for the animal to take a step or turn, just randomly. And even if an animal can hear your bow at 100 yds they don’t usually jump at a small sound that far away. Fair chase comes into play at some point with either weapon, or does it not ?

I don’t really have an opinion either way - just noticing that successful 1000 yd rifle shots are praised while 100 yd archery shots are condemned.
Long range archery seems like an oxymoron
Some might consider the term “long range hunting” an oxymoron…

Side note- RE : Bowmar the poacher - I watched a video of him on his 4th year in a row trying to kill a bull elk with an outfitter here in Idaho. And missed a bull entirely at under 80yds.

I don’t follow Levi Morgan closely but I know he’s a great target archer. However, target archery groups and real life hunting “groups” (if there were such a thing), are totally different. We all know guys that are crazy accurate at the range and then fall apart in the woods…
 
I would posit that the speed of sound is somewhat irrelevant. 1000+ yard rifle shot still takes a full second to arrive, assuming 3000fps - plenty of time for the animal to take a step or turn, just randomly. And even if an animal can hear your bow at 100 yds they don’t usually jump at a small sound that far away. Fair chase comes into play at some point with either weapon, or does it not ?

I don’t really have an opinion either way - just noticing that successful 1000 yd rifle shots are praised while 100 yd archery shots are condemned.

Some might consider the term “long range hunting” an oxymoron…

Side note- RE : Bowmar the poacher - I watched a video of him on his 4th year in a row trying to kill a bull elk with an outfitter here in Idaho. And missed a bull entirely at under 80yds.

I don’t follow Levi Morgan closely but I know he’s a great target archer. However, target archery groups and real life hunting “groups” (if there were such a thing), are totally different. We all know guys that are crazy accurate at the range and then fall apart in the woods…

I really like the 50-60 yard range. It's close enough to make a good shot but not so close the animals get on edge or jump the string. I've certainly stocked too close before. Never killed anything at 100 so I wouldn't know.
 
Just for the sake of discussion- I’m not advocating for more long range shots but long range rifle hunting has become a popular activity and seems to be generally accepted among the hunting community. So why is it still a borderline taboo in archery ? Seems like a bit of a double standard to me…🤷‍♂️. All the same “what ifs” apply to a 100 yd archery shot apply to a 1000 yd rifle shot…

Because it’s stupid? Also you are overlooking the single biggest contributing factor and that is the sound. Arrows are loud and can easily be heard by an animal well before the arrow ever actually reaches the target. This in many cases causes a direct reaction by the animal to get away from the sound resulting in significant movement of the animal before the arrow reaches it.

The first year I got my crossbow I practiced a bunch and was proficient out to 60 yards with it. I took a shot at a buck at 50 yards with it, instead of what should have been a slam dunk heart shot the buck dropped so hard that arrow passing over the top of that buck’s hindquarters. You would have had to aim at his front knees to have any hope of catching his vitals. Even at 25 yards I had deer duck arrows, pushing out farther just increases the risk.

I would posit that the speed of sound is somewhat irrelevant. 1000+ yard rifle shot still takes a full second to arrive, assuming 3000fps - plenty of time for the animal to take a step or turn, just randomly. And even if an animal can hear your bow at 100 yds they don’t usually jump at a small sound that far away. Fair chase comes into play at some point with either weapon, or does it not ?

I don’t really have an opinion either way - just noticing that successful 1000 yd rifle shots are praised while 100 yd archery shots are condemned.

Some might consider the term “long range hunting” an oxymoron…

Side note- RE : Bowmar the poacher - I watched a video of him on his 4th year in a row trying to kill a bull elk with an outfitter here in Idaho. And missed a bull entirely at under 80yds.

I don’t follow Levi Morgan closely but I know he’s a great target archer. However, target archery groups and real life hunting “groups” (if there were such a thing), are totally different. We all know guys that are crazy accurate at the range and then fall apart in the woods…

There is a huge difference between a normal movement and an involuntary fight or flight response directly caused by your actions at the moment of the shot.
 
The rifle hunting community shouldn’t find long range shots acceptable, just like shooting an animal at distance with archery. Very few hunters are actually skilled enough to do so. I shoot to kill and know my abilities.
 
Because it’s stupid? Also you are overlooking the single biggest contributing factor and that is the sound. Arrows are loud and can easily be heard by an animal well before the arrow ever actually reaches the target. This in many cases causes a direct reaction by the animal to get away from the sound resulting in significant movement of the animal before the arrow reaches it.

The first year I got my crossbow I practiced a bunch and was proficient out to 60 yards with it. I took a shot at a buck at 50 yards with it, instead of what should have been a slam dunk heart shot the buck dropped so hard that arrow passing over the top of that buck’s hindquarters. You would have had to aim at his front knees to have any hope of catching his vitals. Even at 25 yards I had deer duck arrows, pushing out farther just increases the risk.



There is a huge difference between a normal movement and an involuntary fight or flight response directly caused by your actions at the moment of the shot.
Stupid ? This has been discussed many times before. Animals are more prone to “string jump” at close distances than longer ones. Think about it - do you get more startled if someone claps their hands together 100 yards away from you or if they do it 3 feet away ? Proximity has more to do with the perceived threat than the sound itself. I’ve had complete misses on deer inside 30yds because they bolted at the sound and had them just stand there and catch the arrow at 60. Many others have said the same.
In the case of your crossbow deer, that’s a pretty small sample size to draw any conclusions about archery as a whole isn’t it ? Maybe your crossbow is really loud 🤷‍♂️
 
Everyone has a different definition of "long range", so a separate sub-forum is kind of worthless. IMO it kind of defeats the purpose to intentionally go out looking for longer shots as the goal. I already do that 11 months out of the year on targets. But for hunting, I'd prefer it if every bull was spraying slobber all over me with a bugle while I'm shooting him.
 
Everyone has a different definition of "long range", so a separate sub-forum is kind of worthless. IMO it kind of defeats the purpose to intentionally go out looking for longer shots as the goal. I already do that 11 months out of the year on targets. But for hunting, I'd prefer it if every bull was spraying slobber all over me with a bugle while I'm shooting him.
Yeah I’m not really lobbying for a new forum section. Just making an observation that long range rifle hunting has become popular in recent years while long range archery hunting has not. I think most archery hunters relish the experience of getting super close. I know I do. The idea behind starting this thread was more to see where people’s heads are at on the topic.

Idaho Fish and game started holding group meetings last fall asking for input from various user groups about recommendations on potential regulation changes in regards to equipment limitations and seasons -
https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-s...y-big-game-hunting#:~:text=idfg-cliess,12- 27.

Their perspective is that recent advancements in technology have increased harvest success rates and are Impacting the department’s management objectives and potentially blurring the lines on what is fair chase. I didn’t watch the zoom meetings but here is the summary of those meetings…

 
I'm fairly new to bowhunting (been rifle hunting 10+ years) and my mentor always warned me about animals jumping the string and therefore, unless the animal is completely guard down and all other conditions are absolutely perfect, don't ever take a shot past 40 yards.
So i don't see how long range shots with a bow are in any way a good idea.

I'd see it as being disrespectful to the animal due to your own pride.
 
I would posit that the speed of sound is somewhat irrelevant.
And you would be wrong.
If you haven't had an animals react to your shot....you haven't hunted much.

I think we all recognize this is a Troll thread....though it's fun to play along. The best hunters know their effective range and stay within their lane.

There is a good series of vids on YouTube where they challenge rifle guys to prove their long range shooting ability. Backfire channel I think it is.
Spoiler alert; 90% fail

I would bet that it's the same with archery on a 100y shot on game.
 
I spend way more time walking to and from my target than shooting when I’m practicing with my rifle. I don’t want my archery practice to turn into that.
 
And you would be wrong.
If you haven't had an animals react to your shot....you haven't hunted much.

I think we all recognize this is a Troll thread....though it's fun to play along. The best hunters know their effective range and stay within their lane.

There is a good series of vids on YouTube where they challenge rifle guys to prove their long range shooting ability. Backfire channel I think it is.
Spoiler alert; 90% fail

I would bet that it's the same with archery on a 100y shot on game.
I mentioned in previous posts that I have had animals react to my shot before. If by “troll thread” you mean I’m trying to start arguments for the sake of drama, you would be wrong. I’m surprised you would say that based on my comments. Maybe because I’m playing devils advocate a bit you think it’s trolling 🤷‍♂️. Hunting culture and ethics are evolving, or maybe devolving depending on one’s perspective. I’m just looking for insight into how the hunting brotherhood views the current state of things, nothing more.
 
Because it's WAY more enjoyable for them to look right at you because they smell something but can't tell because you DONT move. So they mingle around under your stand for what seems like forever and eventually walk off, uneducated, back into the mist of darkness. Nothing like it
 
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