why is a windshirt missing from almost all the lineups?

[mtwarden]

SkakeDry is a pretty neat fabric- about as light as you can go to get a waterproof garment, it's a little fragile for hunting use (and pack use from the pressure of the shoulder/hip straps).

Also while more breathable than most rain jackets, it's not nearly as breathable as most wind shirts.

 

[woods89]

I'm really enjoying my BD Alpine Start.

 

[jd1006]

Good to know…I’ve seen those Vapor SD jackets getting discounted quite a bit and wondered how they might work in those scenarios. I figured if they were breathable enough for a trail runner to wear they should work decent for hiking.

I have the flash pullover, and I’d agree that I wouldn’t want to be hiking much in that, its great for what its intended purpose (low precip chance) is.

I pretty much use the peloton 240 vest as the wind resistant layer above a hoody down to 35 degrees or so and that combo has served me well.

 

[KU_Geo]

Patagonia Houdini is still as good as I have found. 4oz. And they usually have some sort of camo pattern every year,if that’s your thing.

 

[Bump79]

@mtwarden what are your thoughts on these pieces?

Maybe I'm silly but I never use all these pockets that our jackets and pants have. 3 pockets in my pants are more than enough, I don't need 6 in my pants. 1 in my mid layer and 3 in my outer wear.. I like simple pieces. 1/2 zip, pit zips with no zippers. Invest that weight into a more durable stretch fabric.

I have the Ferrosi pants and love them but they might be too breathable. The reinforced shoulders and arms still breath but are more durable and wind resistant. They updated it recently and shed a few ounces.

Men's Ferrosi Hoodie | Outdoor Research

The Ferrosi Hoodie is a classic for climbing and multi-sport use, with stretchy 46% recycled fabric and Cordura® protection in high abrasion zones. The hood fits over a climbing helmet, has peripheral adjustment and stows away for running and biking.

www.outdoorresearch.com

Love the First Lite Corrugate Pants. Not highly wind resistant but love the stretch, very durable and breathe well. The jacket might fit in well.

Men's Corrugate Guide Jacket | First Lite

The Corrugate Jacket is a four-way stretch, brush busting jacket constructed from the same durable, lightweight material as our Corrugate Guide Pants. This jacket is the mack truck of lightweight outerwear and hunting clothes.

www.firstlite.com

Haven't tried anything from Beyond yet.

Men's Ventum Ultralight L4 Jacket | Packable Windbreaker

Technical Features Packable Breathable Wind resistant Water resistant Durable Self stowing Design Details Ultra Lightweight Secure Zipper Hand Pockets Full Zip Partial Elastic Cuff Banded Bottom Hem Packs into left pocket Fabric Treatment DWR (Durable Water Repellent) finish repels moisture...

beyondclothing.com

 

[dingle]

Patagonia Houdini is still as good as I have found. 4oz. And they usually have some sort of camo pattern every year,if that’s your thing.

Check. Yeah, It's not critical but I'd rather have a camo pattern option if possible.

Thanks all, still listening!

 

[mtwarden]

@mtwarden what are your thoughts on these pieces?

Maybe I'm silly but I never use all these pockets that our jackets and pants have. 3 pockets in my pants are more than enough, I don't need 6 in my pants. 1 in my mid layer and 3 in my outer wear.. I like simple pieces. 1/2 zip, pit zips with no zippers. Invest that weight into a more durable stretch fabric.

I have the Ferrosi pants and love them but they might be too breathable. The reinforced shoulders and arms still breath but are more durable and wind resistant. They updated it recently and shed a few ounces.

Men's Ferrosi Hoodie | Outdoor Research

The Ferrosi Hoodie is a classic for climbing and multi-sport use, with stretchy 46% recycled fabric and Cordura® protection in high abrasion zones. The hood fits over a climbing helmet, has peripheral adjustment and stows away for running and biking.

www.outdoorresearch.com

Love the First Lite Corrugate Pants. Not highly wind resistant but love the stretch, very durable and breathe well. The jacket might fit in well.

Men's Corrugate Guide Jacket | First Lite

The Corrugate Jacket is a four-way stretch, brush busting jacket constructed from the same durable, lightweight material as our Corrugate Guide Pants. This jacket is the mack truck of lightweight outerwear and hunting clothes.

www.firstlite.com

Haven't tried anything from Beyond yet.

Men's Ventum Ultralight L4 Jacket | Packable Windbreaker

Technical Features Packable Breathable Wind resistant Water resistant Durable Self stowing Design Details Ultra Lightweight Secure Zipper Hand Pockets Full Zip Partial Elastic Cuff Banded Bottom Hem Packs into left pocket Fabric Treatment DWR (Durable Water Repellent) finish repels moisture...

beyondclothing.com

I owned a OR Ferossi hoody a couple of years ago, likely a different version. It was decent, but for the weight I thought the Alpine Start and the military Houdini were better (breathed better and pretty close to on par for durability) and let it go.

Haven't tried the other two listed.

 

[Bump79]

I owned a OR Ferossi hoody a couple of years ago, likely a different version. It was decent, but for the weight I thought the Alpine Start and the military Houdini were better (breathed better and pretty close to on par for durability) and let it go.

Haven't tried the other two listed.

I might have to gove the Alpine Start a try. Eberlestock has a wind shirt of sorts.

Bruneau SPF | All-Season Hoody

Weve taken our quest of designing and constructing the most advanced hunting clothing on the planet seriously. Every piece has gone through hours of testing, evaluation, and alteration. During this process, one of our most anticipated pieces emerged -- the Bruneau Hoodie has become our go-to...

eberlestock.com

 

[mtwarden]

the two bits of information that manufacturers never provide, but would be very useful- the cfm- the measured breathability of a fabric and hydrostatic head, the measured water resistance

if you're using a wind layer strictly for glassing, tree stand, etc- then a cfm near 0 is fine, think rain jacket

if you're on the move, then it has to balanced with wind resistance and breathability- too much breathability it doesn't shed wind enough, too little and you start sweating

the Alpine Start is ~ 40 cfm, the military Houdini is in that ballpark as well; it would be so useful to have that information on all the other options, but not likely