Why Haven’t All Of The CA and Transplants From Other States That Moved To WY,MT,ID Stayed After Many Winters And Not Moved Back?

[FLS]

I've heard od a BOAL, but what is a HOA?

Home Owners Association. Be glad you don’t know.
It’s basically a handful of the most miserable, self important human beings it would ever be your displeasure to deal with, gleefully imposing their will on people that were stupid enough not to read the rules and regulations of the development they purchased a home in. They pleasure themselves to the thought of handing out citations for offenses such as your house being the wrong shade of beige. The Secret Police of the cul du sac.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

This makes me laugh. I am a Cal transplant and I have had the exact opposite experience. I have had 4x the complaints from my entitled Idaho boomer HOA neighbors (who half goto AZ in the winter). Some of them proudly have anti trump bumper stickers.

There’s something about moving into a nice neighborhood where the lots are all 2+ acres and then get multiple complaints in the past 6 months for:
- having my travel trailer parked out front because it’s late fall. I learned that they have an unspoken rule that RVs are ok during summer even though the official rule is 2 weeks per year. I keep it in covered storage during the winter
- having some stuff outside a month after moving into a newly built house. this was a passive aggressive comment at the HOA meeting where they said “they are settling in and im sure they will have things cleaned up”
- last month i put totes and garden tools on the side of my house because it was on my flatbed, which I used to cut firewood. the firewood was sitting out. my neighbor came by a week later to complain to my wife. If he caught me I would have said “yea it’s a mess I will clean it up asap” if I was around. But the fun part: he kept going off to my wife about how my truck is always parked outside and our garage door is always open. the only related rule in our hoa: no broken down vehicles. I have a clean 2500 with low miles. The neighbor did say that my firewood mess was “understandable” because people cut firewood around here. no shit, I just cut 1.5 cords of old growth larch and had split them 2 days prior! I happen to have two young kids, a full time job and a new business!

You moved to McCall? In a HOA community with neighbors that have second homes in Arizona… yea those aren’t natives buddy. lol

Your gripes are a biproduct living there and in an HOA(yuck!). And you probably paid 1 Million or more to have Karen neighbors from CA or Seattle. You got to be wealthy living there, lot of wealth comes with nosey miserable boomers as neighbors.

 

[Wrench]

Home Owners Association. Be glad you don’t know.
It’s basically a handful of the most miserable, self important human beings it would ever be your displeasure to deal with, gleefully imposing their will on people that were stupid enough not to read the rules and regulations of the development they purchased a home in. They pleasure themselves to the thought of handing out citations for offenses such as your house being the wrong shade of beige. The Secret Police of the cul du sac.

Sometimes my neighbors come over too. Wayne, my favorite neighbor helped me unload my gun safe with his tractor and Carl my other neighbor brought me some fresh cookies for cutting down a nasty tree for him the days prior. I'd miss my neighbors.....doesn’t sound like you would.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Home Owners Association. Be glad you don’t know.
It’s basically a handful of the most miserable, self important human beings it would ever be your displeasure to deal with, gleefully imposing their will on people that were stupid enough not to read the rules and regulations of the development they purchased a home in. They pleasure themselves to the thought of handing out citations for offenses such as your house being the wrong shade of beige. The Secret Police of the cul du sac.

I don’t feel sorry for anyone that lives in an HOA, because they were stupid enough to sign up for that shit.

 

[Jon Olson]

You moved to McCall? In a HOA community with neighbors that have second homes in Arizona… yea those aren’t natives buddy. lol

Your gripes are a biproduct living there and in an HOA(yuck!). And you probably paid 1 Million or more to have Karen neighbors from CA or Seattle. You got to be wealthy living there, lot of wealth comes with nosey miserable boomers as neighbors.

A lot of old established sub divisions with acreage have basic CC&Rs but the general feel isn’t that of some private community like Whitetail or Tamarack. Most of the neighborhood got rid of their HOA/CC&R except I got stuck with the Karens as we are the last section that still keeps it going. I paid $300 sq foot to build so it wasn’t a million. All my blue collar friends in the neighborhood make more than I do!

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I was born in Chicago but grew up in MT.. Work kept me out west most of my earlier career spending more time in WY and CO. I experienced significant population growth but nothing like the past 6-8 years.

I understand most people being able to handle CO’s pretty mild winters and not moving away after a few winters. What I don’t understand is the CA and other crowd who have moved to WY and MT and have not left due to the extreme cold, severe and constant wind and very very long winters. I can remember winter blizzards in Bozeman where I had to shovel my Landcruiser out of my driveway to limp into town for groceries only to return one hour later and get high centered in the new snow in my recently plowed/shoveled driveway. Wyoming where I spent a week every month had some of the most dangerous and frequent high wind conditions on the planet, blowing semis over on I80 and I25, along with the same long very severe cold winters as MT.

I was surprised and totally wrong in my predictions. I thought for sure a real estate bubble had been created and these implants wouldn’t be able to put their homes on the market for sale fast enough after the first bad WY, MT winter. Many of the transplants are now going on 7-8 years in their new environment. Is there no signs of an exodus out of MT and WY? Is this the new normal? I definitely have been wrong in my predictions so far.Do a high percentage of these transplants have a second or third home? What other factors have kept the growth in MT and WY?

Weird, I can't help but wonder why a lot of the local Idaho people are so soft. Sure don't find too many rough n tough hardy mountain folk I hear about so much
All I've heard the past 23 years is how soft everyone else is, hasn't felt that way to me.

 

[FLS]

Sometimes my neighbors come over too. Wayne, my favorite neighbor helped me unload my gun safe with his tractor and Carl my other neighbor brought me some fresh cookies for cutting down a nasty tree for him the days prior. I'd miss my neighbors.....doesn’t sound like you would.

I don’t and wouldn’t live in an HOA, if they gave me the the damn house. I live on a small farm out in the sticks, but a few of my customers are HOAs. Some can be a real pain in the ass and I charge accordingly. I spent Friday installing a Variable Frequency Drive in an irrigation pump station for an HOA in North Myrtle Beach with a trio of of retirees watching. It was probably the highlight of their week.

 

[VomSteinbruch]

Moving to Northern California does not get you out of the crazy taxes and political BS.

Aren’t the taxes substantially different in Alturas CA than in San Francisco or in Sacramento?

 

[survivalistd]

Aren’t the taxes substantially different in Alturas CA than in San Francisco or in Sacramento?

9.75 vs 7.25. It still comes with Gavin Newscum. Alturas is a small town. I use to hunt out of Ceaderville and know that area well. Way different than city living. Guns laws are still the same. Horrible!!

 

[NRA4LIFE]

We had the most mild winter that we've ever seen here in Western WA, until March 13th when we got close to a foot of snow. Hadn't hardly seen a flake of snow and then WHAMMO. Tore the living crap out of trees and shrubs all over our property. Still not totally cleaned up yet.

 

[Timberline001]

Because people have warm houses, amazon, and DoorDash lol

 

[bowhuntercoop]

I don’t and wouldn’t live in an HOA, if they gave me the the damn house. I live on a small farm out in the sticks, but a few of my customers are HOAs. Some can be a real pain in the ass and I charge accordingly. I spent Friday installing a Variable Frequency Drive in an irrigation pump station for an HOA in North Myrtle Beach with a trio of of retirees watching. It was probably the highlight of their week.

Ahhhh Myrtle. My inalws lived in little river for 10 years with an hoa. One weekend they came to my farm to visit. my father in law asked if the neighbors ever said anything about me shooting my guns, or loud diesels, or the different backpack tents I would test and have set up in the front yard,etc.

I said what neighbors lol, you can’t see a single house from my farm and yes we have neighbors but they are 1/4 mile away.

He got back home to Myrtle to a notice that his grass was too long, how the hoa wanted it a specific hieght and uniform with the other houses. Needless to say I gave them a couple acres, they sold that house in an instant during Covid, and build a barndo.

If someone actually tried to pay me I still wouldn’t live in an hoa.

 

[mt terry d]

OP: What I don’t understand is the CA and other crowd who have moved to WY and MT and have not left due to the extreme cold, severe and constant wind and very very long winters.

It's not like most can now sell their Montana home and buy back into California
even if they wanted to.

I suppose they could come out fairly well selling their Montana home and
buying in Arkansas or someplace like that.

 

[Weldor]

What I can't figure is why they moved there in the first place. MT and WY nothing like CA.

 

[flyinsquirel]

As someone who’s still here, I can tell you, that difference you cite is exactly why they did.

 

[survivalistd]

What I can't figure is why they moved there in the first place. MT and WY nothing like CA.

Exactly why I'm leaving Ca.

 

[180ls1]

What I can't figure is why they moved there in the first place. MT and WY nothing like CA.

Affordability is one of the issues. Many of my close friends have had to move from San Diego where it takes roughly $300k annual income to purchase the average house. Imagine being young in your career, trying to have a family and then dealing with that. The politics are also a huge motivator.

 

[Weldor]

California must have changed a bunch (not talking politics) from when I lived there , you could get a job in about two minutes. Montana Wyoming not so much ? Houses in South Bay were running about 90k-200k depending how close you wanted to be to the ocean. A half day boat was like $20 bucks and great fishing. Orange county was booming back then. I know it's all doom and gloom now, but still don't see the connection to MT and WY. They already took over Phx. Big cities seems like their preference. Austin, Nashville, Dallas, Little rock ETC.

 

[Mac308]

The stat here in SW MT is 50% of the people who move here are gone within 5 years. A couple "real" winters usually move people on. Of course, when more and more move here, enough ultimately stay to increase the population. I don't label folks who mover here from CA - that's just ignorant laziness. I try to take people as I find them. There are plenty of a-holes from all over the country who come here, and CA is not any exception in this regard.