Why Haven’t All Of The CA and Transplants From Other States That Moved To WY,MT,ID Stayed After Many Winters And Not Moved Back?

[North of 60]

Yup, statistically transplants vote conservative at a higher rate than the places they move too.

This is probably the best reason to welcome folks to the Rockies.

 

[noisy]

It's Texans moving to Montana, not Californians. How about we dispel that myth once and for all.

Hopefully the wildfire smoke will send some of them packing. Been several years since we had a really smoky summer. They haven't seen how much it can suck!

I've given up all hope for this place though. After 40+ years I'm looking for my new nirvana.

 

[longrangelead]

Contrary to popular belief, it’s mostly conservative people that are abandoning the coastal cities, not the “snowflakes”. So your average transplant is a little more resilient than you might think. The winters might be a bit of an adjustment for them ( mainly the driving) but they’re usually showing up with a big bankroll after selling their houses and paying cash for a more affordable house further inland. They can afford to pay for things like snow removal, firewood, etc. Also, people don’t have to travel to the nearest city on bad winter roads if they don’t want to. They can order everything online now and pick it up at the post office. It’s not as hard to live in the West, or anywhere for that matter, as it used to be.

^^This...
People fleeing the cities come and go around me. Most are retirees and remote tech's.

The last 5 years has seen a wave of Amish move in and they're tenacious enough its just another winter to them.

A common thing among Amish is to spend the coldest weeks in Florida if they can afford it or don't have livestock to care for.

 

[NMJM]

Yup, statistically transplants vote conservative at a higher rate than the places they move too.

What statistics???? I don't have any numbers but from what I see most people moving from places like CA and NY keep voting liberal. Look at cities like Boise, Bozeman, states like AZ, CO and many others. Do you think it is people born and raised in these places that are changing the political demographics or new people moving in? From what I have seen people who think they are conservative in CA move away because of the insanity and when they see real conservative values go back to voting liberal.

 

[peterk123]

Contrary to popular belief, it’s mostly conservative people that are abandoning the coastal cities, not the “snowflakes”. So your average transplant is a little more resilient than you might think. The winters might be a bit of an adjustment for them ( mainly the driving) but they’re usually showing up with a big bankroll after selling their houses and paying cash for a more affordable house further inland. They can afford to pay for things like snow removal, firewood, etc. Also, people don’t have to travel to the nearest city on bad winter roads if they don’t want to. They can order everything online now and pick it up at the post office. It’s not as hard to live in the West, or anywhere for that matter, as it used to be.

We are from Massachusetts. That state is a nuts as California, might be worse. I'd make most montanans look like they are liberal. Like my mother said, I was born 100 years too late. I agree, most people moving out here are quite conservative. But not just how we vote, but how we live. It's why we moved. This so called modern world is not for us. Many of us don't have big bank rolls. We just said screw it, we will make it work. We prefer less things and cherish time as a family.

I'm not saying we don't have our share of the man bun crowd, but I think that is driven largely by the college population. Too bad colleges don't limit students to in state only

 

[DuckDawg22]

The days of selling your 2000 square ft tract home here in CA and buying something twice the size for half the cost elsewhere are long gone. Anyone getting out of here now is doing so very purposefully, and a "tough winter" would have factored into their decision on whether to go to Montana vs say, Tennessee. I live in one of the many conservative counties outside of the major population centers in LA/SF and aside from the taxes, most of Newscum's socialist fantasies don't affect my day to day. For me, the math on moving just doesn't math when factoring in all opportunity costs

 

[Jimmy]

Financially it’s hard to move back. Prices are higher than ever. They couldn’t afford the home they left behind, they’d have to downsize or rent something small.

And some older people I know that have moved their just sit inside with the heater on all winter watching tv.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Have you been to CA? That’s why they’re staying…

 

[survivalistd]

You’ve got SF Bay Area and greater LA area in Ca. That’s where all the sissies and weirdos are. The rest of the vast state are pretty normal people and lots of country. The cities make all the rules, the good people get fed up and leave. Not everyone here has blue hair and rides a surf board to work. My aunt and uncle moved to N. Idaho in the mid 2000s before it was cool. They are two of the most country/self sufficient people you could ever meet.

Hey now I live in So Cal and never been called a sissy or weirdo. They do look at me strangely when im in a camo shirt with my vortex hat on. But you are correct these folks are strange indeed. My work takes me to all the rich areas and these people are definitely weird. I bought here years ago and we are planning on selling and moving within a couple years after I retire. I live in a small
town 20 miles north of LA. Pretty quiet up here but the library Hollywood crowd have slowly moved in. I can't stand them.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Yup, statistically transplants vote conservative at a higher rate than the places they move too.

I would say that may be true for WY, ID, and MT as those states have trended more solidly red. However, CO is the opposite, it has literally become a single party blue state, similar to China or Venezuela. Conservative republicans in state government might need to be listed on the endangered species list. Transplants aren’t a monolith, they move for different reasons. CO has an urban metro which is what those transplants were looking for. In Colorado you had 4 millionaire/billionaire progressive leftist political donors who decided to change the state back in the early 2000’s. They succeeded. It required millions of dollars in campaign spending for Dem candidates and a large influx of urban transplants from other states.

 

[rookieforever33]

Its not only people from historically liberal places changing conservative areas. Colleges are more liberal than ever and so is enrollment. 30 to 40 year old college grads are earning money and leaving where they are from to afford to have kids, but taking liberal ideals with them. Just because they are fleeing high taxes doesnt mean they didn't like where they were. Empty nesters who liked where they were are fleeing high taxes also, many of them bring a more liberal mindset. If your area was 80 percent conservative, and the population doubles with a 50-50 split on ideals, you now are only split 60-40 the way you like it. Plus your bothered by the crowds.

 

[North of 60]

Financially it’s hard to move back. Prices are higher than ever. They couldn’t afford the home they left behind, they’d have to downsize or rent something small.

And some older people I know that have moved their just sit inside with the heater on all winter watching tv.

Another perspective (though not CA related) to move to the Rockies is that if you live in the gulf south and spend 8-10 months a year escaping the heat/humidity inside with AC.

 

[Serrano]

In Colorado Springs I'd estimate about 1/4 leave after a few years. Even though it ain't that cold. Some came for the Marijuana, some to escape the madness.

But some places in Montana aren't that cold. I'm still looking for someplace in WY where the wind don't blow 50 miles per hour six and a half days a week.

 

[Marbles]

Some of it, you just don't have to be that hard to live in any place on a road system with a population center above 2-3K within an hours drive thanks to technology.

I think some of the irritation is the snowflakes who thought they were special and tough because of where they live having to face the fact that they are just one more flake that makes up the snowpack.

 

[Lawnboi]

Probably money. Properties are worth a lot. A lot of people in the position to be buying think about money more than me atleast. As long as there is money to be made now days properties and houses are not going to sit.