Who hunts with a dirt bike?

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I also want to add that KTM, HUSABERG, BETA, GASGAS, HUSQVARNA, all build 2 strokes specialized for off road in the hardest terrain possible. All with a proper headlight as well ��

Hi Gamechanger- Gotta love a good debate my brother! It's all good!

My post was a general recommendation, although I am long winded, I did not cover all options.

I do not recall debating if KTM, Husky, etc... make 2 strokes that are backcountry capable! Love them! All your options can work... as can the "Trials" bike that IdahoElk uses. Buy a Husqvarna? Make sure you can get parts/service. Their stores are a little more difficult to come across than Honda, Suzuki or Yamaha dealers/parts.

(**FYI-- for non-motorcycle folk-- "Trials Bikes" are the lightweight gymnastics kings of technical, low speed riding. Yes, spelling is correct, "Trials", not "Trails")

GameChanger, The OP clearly states he bought a 13 year old two-stroke 125 *MXer*, he did not buy a 250 or an Enduro (which you rode), nor a 4-stroker, a Trials bike or some other more favorably torque-profiled Euro-motored bike that comes with a lighting system. Since you rode Enduros, then you know that the torque curve, gearing and flywheel weight of an Enduro is far better suited to trail work than an MXer.

Now- back to my point:

A 13 year old two stroke 125MXer is pipey, loud and obnoxious. Period.

That MXer has a lightweight flywheel, higher cut porting and is optimized to run best at mid throttle or higher. It will also have a very tall seat height, which will makes it tough to "dab" a foot when needed to stabilize when moving slowly. Yes, 125 MXer's are light and great, but they are simply are not optimized for tight, slow single track trail work. Yes, a skilled rider can MAKE an MXer do this, but it will require a lot of throttle-blipping. Every time that rider blips his throttle, it will be LOUD. Do it a bunch of times to prove to others he's so skilled that he can get his MXer up a tight single track and HE will be THAT GUY to all the other hunters in that drainage who are now looking the south sides of fast moving north-bound elk.

Ok, so now throw a bunch of gear and panniers on said 125 MXer, add mud, roots and a technical/steep single track into the mix and ask him if he can take that MXer quietly up that steep, rocky single track every time. Hmmmm...?

Or, PLAN B-- A larger 4 stroker or torquey low geared well muffled 2-stroker on which he slowly cruises that section at 1/4 throttle... the lower noise difference and tractability of power and handling will be amazing.

It simply seems that if a rider cares about noise as it relates to courtesy to game and courtesy to other hunter--- not to mention ease of riding due to a correct torque curve and gearing, then I'd bet a 200cc or larger 4 stroker enduro, etc will better fill the bill for most folk.

Yes, a torquey two stroker will be lighter than a 4 stroker of equal displacement and it can absolutely climb single track, but I do question the extent to which the rider's clothes and gear will end up smelling like two-stoke fumes after while. (that may be less bothersome than pit-stink we all have after a couple days) Though I happen to love the smell of two-strokers, I am not the game being hunted. This was one reason I suggested a 4 stroker.

I leave it at this:

1) I wouldn't want to be THAT guy who cracks his MXers throttle over and over again while climbing technical trails, blowing up the elk for everyone else while doing it.

2) More torque + lower gearing = more low speed maneuverability, period.

But hey, what do I know..?? I've probably never brought a 125MXer up a tight, technical trail and probably never had a chance to ride the same trail on an 4-stroker/enduro ;-) And my mild hearing loss could not have possibly been caused in part by racing 125 MXers since they're so quiet.

It's all good!
 

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Yep - ditch that 2 stroke - sorry. Find an old Honda Fat Cat, Yamaha Big wheel, Honda XR 200 or similar. I had a Honda Fat Cat, 2 of them actually, and they work awesome for putting around mt. trails and hunting. A bike with a low seat height will be very comforting when your in off camber situations packing a heavy load. Good luck.
 
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I agree road hunt off of a heavy putt putt bike, use a 2 stroker to get somewhere to hike from 5 times faster.
 

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Regardless if you keep the bike or sell it, I would definitely pay close attention to the suspension and figure out how much weight you will be adding to the bike, this includes you and the gear you will be wearing. Once that's determined, get the bike sprung correctly for that weight. Trust me when I say it's a game changer on how well your bike will handle.

I contemplated using my 09 YZ450f for hunting, it was a phenomenal bike in the desert, but I hated riding it in tight single track. The majority of it was me, as I'm used to riding desert trails, but it's also an MX'er and not necessarily designed for tight woods trails. I sold it and plan to get a 250 or 300 2 stroke. Or maybe an XR400 which is a great all around bike but about as boring as driving a John Deere tractor.
 
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After riding for a while, I decided the 125 MX bike was no bueno for tight technical trails. However, I'm not hunting from the bike, and putt putt 4 strokes are about as interesting to me as walkers, electric wheelchairs, and stair lifts. There is more to this idea than just accessing single track. The three main purposes for me are: 1. Cover lots of mountain and desert in as short of a time as possible. This also takes wear and tear off my Tacoma. 2. Access single track. The purpose of this is to cut down travel time, and increase time in prime areas behind my glass. I'm a hiking machine, and have to problem packing on tons of miles, but I want to be efficient with my time off work and school. 3. For hauling game. When we have a five day window to hunt, cutting the time to get an elk out to the coolers is important. Last but not least, I am now addicted to dirt riding, big time. After learning more about bikes, studying 2 stroke motors, and riding more, I figured out what I wanted in a bike. I ended up with a 2000 Gas Gas XC 250. It's an absolute tractor on the bottom end. Unreal resistance to stalling, excellent tractability on the bottom and through the mid range, and a screaming top end. It's very agile, handles almost as easily as my KX did, and the suspension is valved really well for trails. So far I've installed Tubliss conversions, new reeds, a gripper seat cover, shaved the seat down for my midget legs, and I have a Lectron carburetor coming next week. I'll post some pics as the panniers and the rest of the bike come together.
Anyone interested in really upping their game on the trails should check out the Cross Training Enduro channel on YouTube. It's helped me a lot to shorten the learning curve in the technical stuff.
If anyone around Utah or Southern/Central Idaho wants to go hit some trails, let me know!
 
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woods bike or trials bike get my nod
iv rode them all on single track in the mountains
lightweight 2stroke gets my vote
like these, i love the Betas!
 

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I rode a friends Xtrainer last week,very,very nice bike,well made,great linear power compared to a KTM 300 and slightly smaller/lighter with oil injection to boot! I really like my Husky 165 and for mountain single tracks and the Scorpa for hunting.


 

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After riding for a while, I decided the 125 MX bike was no bueno for tight technical trails. However, I'm not hunting from the bike, and putt putt 4 strokes are about as interesting to me as walkers, electric wheelchairs, and stair lifts. There is more to this idea than just accessing single track. The three main purposes for me are: 1. Cover lots of mountain and desert in as short of a time as possible. This also takes wear and tear off my Tacoma. 2. Access single track. The purpose of this is to cut down travel time, and increase time in prime areas behind my glass. I'm a hiking machine, and have to problem packing on tons of miles, but I want to be efficient with my time off work and school. 3. For hauling game. When we have a five day window to hunt, cutting the time to get an elk out to the coolers is important. Last but not least, I am now addicted to dirt riding, big time. After learning more about bikes, studying 2 stroke motors, and riding more, I figured out what I wanted in a bike. I ended up with a 2000 Gas Gas XC 250. It's an absolute tractor on the bottom end. Unreal resistance to stalling, excellent tractability on the bottom and through the mid range, and a screaming top end. It's very agile, handles almost as easily as my KX did, and the suspension is valved really well for trails. So far I've installed Tubliss conversions, new reeds, a gripper seat cover, shaved the seat down for my midget legs, and I have a Lectron carburetor coming next week. I'll post some pics as the panniers and the rest of the bike come together.
Anyone interested in really upping their game on the trails should check out the Cross Training Enduro channel on YouTube. It's helped me a lot to shorten the learning curve in the technical stuff.
If anyone around Utah or Southern/Central Idaho wants to go hit some trails, let me know!

I'm in Hailey and ride mountain single tracks all summer,contact me if you want to make the trip up here and I'll take you to some great places.

All day of this, no roads and no people,perfect!



 

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Nice choice with the Gas Gas. I hope you have better luck with the Tubliss than I did.


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i want to come ride that area
looks awesome
i did not know husky made a 165 2s
rode the pumpkins for a few years and then got on a Beta, really liking them.
they are a little shorter seat heights as well...
love the oil injection....
 

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It's a big bore 125 and works awesome for the terrain I ride here.The Thing I really liked about the Beta was the controlled power,no hit when it came on the pipe and the slightly smaller size made it nice also.
 
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ya the Betas motor is impressive
thats what lured me away from the orange, but then the seat height and other things came into play as well, they are balanced very well as well
the tune on the xtrainer is really mellow, its a tractor, my 300rr is much quicker, but it too will crawl very well. very forgiving, makes me a much better rider for sure. i got the trainer for my wife, thought it would be good for her, size wise it fits perfect, she is intimidated by the power and the weight of the bike, she is a beginner rider.
hopefully she will get used to it...
is your husky a full size bike?
seat height?
 

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You have a 300rr? that's a nice bike too,when I get a new bike it will be either a x or rr.The other thing I don't like about the 300 pumpkins is the amount of vibration coming off the engine,that gets old real quick.
Seat height on my bike is 38"
 

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Attached is a pic of a Rokon I had saved a while back. I’m told they are a pretty incredible piece of equip. I know my "hunting Buds" here in the deer woods, hated my 2-stroke 250 Polaris 4-wheeler from the mid-90s. It was very lite-weight with long travel suspension and was pleasure to ride, but TOO LOUD! I would never consider hauling that unit out west just to spook all the game for miles around. In the right circumstance, a side by side or ATV equipped with a “stealth exhaust system” would be OK if used responsibly. MY experience has been that in most public land settings, a 4x4 truck can get me where I need to be. The ATV’s are most often limited to the same forest service roads as a jeep or other 4X4. In my analysis, the expense of towing an ATV 1200+ miles one way Plus the hassle/cost of registration of the unit is just not worth it. Then there is the possible bad blood from residents that don’t need another reason to dislike the non-resident hunter. I take on a “When in Rome …do as the Roman’s do” philosophy in an effort to remain welcomed. The few ATV violators I have observed where all resident as I recall. Have not had much trouble with this activity in my many trips to several western states. Non–resident tags are hard to come by. I don’t want to be the guy that leaves a bad perception for some other “flatlander” to have to deal with. On a single track trail, where legal, I think the Rokon could be a valuable tool for game recovery.
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You have a 300rr? that's a nice bike too,when I get a new bike it will be either a x or rr.The other thing I don't like about the 300 pumpkins is the amount of vibration coming off the engine,that gets old real quick.
Seat height on my bike is 38"

ya
i have both
i bought the xtrainer for my wife and the rr for myself,
both are very nice bikes, and i agree with you on the vibration, i have had a few pumpkins, great bikes but their 300cc is dated, the beta motor is incredible. in fairness it is a much more recent motor, beta can build some good bikes, 1k cheaper on average as well
 

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I recently picked up a Yamaha BW 200 that I am going to run on trails open to motorcycles only, should work great for that.
 
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IdahoElk that's the kind of stuff I'm looking for, awesome country! I'll be in the Fairfield area for memorial day weekend to do some riding and fishing. So far the Tubliss has been incredible. I'll never stick a tube in a tire again. Went on another long ride on the gas gas, and it was awesome. Got to ride in some mud, hop logs, and work on a lot of things to help me get a little faster too. I'm drooling over 300rr and the Xtrainer! It was all I could do to keep from going to a dealership and getting one. Soon as I graduate! When we get my buddy's bike back together, we'll start working on racks and learning to haul loads. I should have pics hauling bear bait in the next few weeks, we'll see how it goes.

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