Who else has caught the Rona?

[BDRam16]

Anyone who believes the government is efficient or has their best interests in mind clearly doesn’t work for the government. I’m not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, but as a local level government employee I can assure you, publicly funded entities are anything but a well oiled machine.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

Hard to make an argument, anymore, for the vaccine.
Decreasing efficacy, breakthrough infections, still contagious, still have to wear a mask.
Look at Israel. High vaccine % within their population. Extremely low levels of disease early summer now their back in a surge with daily counts as high as Jan 2021.
Again, hard to make an argument as more data comes out.

The vaccine, does however, prevent severe disease/hospitalization/death. For now anyway.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

Everything about Covid is and has been a moving goal post. That just means that they're still grasping at straws and making it up as they go. They still have no clue what's going to happen, and there is absolutely NO ONE on the planet that can make the statement that "the vaccine is perfectly safe". 10 years from now might show that it's "relatively safe", but at this point no one knows for sure.

Everything you said is.....true.

 

[BDRam16]

I think that they inadvertently created 100 million asymptomatic COVID carriers who are infecting everyone and the unvaccinated are the only ones currently having symptoms. There are multiple studies showing vaccinated people can catch the virus and carry the exact same viral load. The problem is now that the majority are asymptomatic, they’re walking around spreading at a far higher rate than when people were feeling ill and staying home to self-quarantine.

 

[RyanT26]

This is never ending. After Delta it’ll be the Lamda Variant. I just read an article about how dangerous Covid 22 is going to be. Whatever the hell that is.I don’t see how we’re going to vaccinate our way out of this, but who knows. Good luck to you all and hopefully you can all travel and make your hunting trips this year.

 

[roadrunner]

Vaccines always only minimize the symptoms you will have, they are not cures. The efficacy of this vaccine is based on the immune systems ability to recognize the spike protein. If there is no spike protein, then the vaccine is way less effective. If the variant is "more contagious" the less likely it is to be "more dangerous".

A parasite that is extremely efficient in killing its host will not survive long....

 

[gelton]

Speaking of moving the goalposts:

 

[Nillion]

Hard to make an argument, anymore, for the vaccine.
Decreasing efficacy, breakthrough infections, still contagious, still have to wear a mask.
Look at Israel. High vaccine % within their population. Extremely low levels of disease early summer now their back in a surge with daily counts as high as Jan 2021.
Again, hard to make an argument as more data comes out.

The vaccine, does however, prevent severe disease/hospitalization/death. For now anyway.

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons...

COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness, reinfection, and hospitalization in fully, partially, and unvaccinated people during the Delta variant in Los Angeles County, California.

www.cdc.gov

"During May 1–July 25, 2021, among 43,127 SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of Los Angeles County, California, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431 (3.3%) were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801 (71.4%) were in unvaccinated persons. On July 25, infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons."

This seems like a very good argument for vaccines.

 

[redcorn65]

Imagine birthing a child, loving and nurturing it through its childhood and giving it your all to raise it right only for it to believe the government has its best interests in their hearts and that pharmaceutical companies care about curing people. Just imagine lolllll


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[jmez]

This is never ending. After Delta it’ll be the Lamda Variant. I just read an article about how dangerous Covid 22 is going to be. Whatever the hell that is.I don’t see how we’re going to vaccinate our way out of this, but who knows. Good luck to you all and hopefully you can all travel and make your hunting trips this year.

You are correct. We won't vaccinate our way out of this. In time, it will become an accepted risk of life. Like pretty much everything else that kills people.

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[Laramie]

Update- My vaccinated wife started to get symptoms last night. Mild so far but my skeptical side is starting to win the mental battle again. I'm about over it. Just feel tired and a little out of it. My son is sick but hanging in there ok.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons...

COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness, reinfection, and hospitalization in fully, partially, and unvaccinated people during the Delta variant in Los Angeles County, California.

www.cdc.gov

"During May 1–July 25, 2021, among 43,127 SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of Los Angeles County, California, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431 (3.3%) were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801 (71.4%) were in unvaccinated persons. On July 25, infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons."

This seems like a very good argument for vaccines

**The vaccine, does however, prevent severe disease/hospitalization/death. For now anyway**

I think you missed that part of my statement.

 

[204guy]

**The vaccine, does however, prevent severe disease/hospitalization/death. For now anyway**

I think you missed that part of my statement.

Thank you for your non objective reasoned analysis. You've pivoted within this thread and that's impressive. We could use ALOT more providers like you.

 

[204guy]

Here's some more govt winning, in our little town 1 nursing home is currently staffed with 9 cna's. They should have 21. Residents are already underserved. Biden just announced that all nursing home workers will be required to be vaxxed or they'll pull some funding mechanism, basically they would be forced to close. If they follow the mandate cna's will quite and they'd pretty much have to close. Since it's now indisputable that vaxxed can still get and spread covid what benefit do the residents get by having vaxxed nurses? Humanitarian crisis here we come.

 

[Theringworm]

Imagine birthing a child, loving and nurturing it through its childhood and giving it your all to raise it right only for it to believe the government has its best interests in their hearts and that pharmaceutical companies care about curing people. Just imagine lolllll


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Or imagine not birthing a viable fetus/child because your blood vessels to your placenta clotted off and starved your child from blood flow at 28 weeks gestation. You are left with a dead fetus and now require a c-section to remove the dead fetus. Mother was unvaccinated. This just happened today at my institution a few hours ago. And yesterday, a 30 yo mother gives birth to a healthy child yet the mother dies from COVID. Also unvaccinated.

Sure Pharmaceutical companies are a business and businesses have to make money. I have learned to love and dislike them. The only reason I dislike them is because the cost passed on to the patient. But beyond that, they are making some amazing medications that hep millions of people. Is there ONE single drug in the world made that doesn’t have a side effect profile? NOPE.

Someone earlier had mentioned the Democrats were pushing the agenda, feeding the dribble to the media. I won’t give my opinion on that comment but this has indeed become a very political pandemic. However as a current Texan and a staunch Republican I can assure you what I have said and seen reported is factual.

Yes, the “goal posts” have to move. They will not stop moving until this is completely understood and the solution given is infallible. Just like anything else in life that can be improved, simplified, done more cost effectively, or have a better outcome. I would dare say there are very few topics that are 100% completely understood. We aren’t anywhere close to that scenario IMO. No the current vaccine isn’t an end all be all. It’s not a cure. At best, it’s currently drastically minimizing symptoms from an active infection, which is a huge win when comparing those currently admitted to the hospital who either have or have not been vaccinated. It’s not even close percentage wise. To claim anything more is simply false. Does the vaccine have known side effects yes, yes it does. Do we have a hospital full of vaccine side effect victims that have been admitted strictly because of their side effects. None currently where I work that I am aware of, but acknowledge a few have required further work up. What is being asked currently is to weight the known risks of COVID versus the known risks/benefits of the vaccine. The “unknown” risk is well, unknown. Anyone can make up anything and say it’s an unknown potential risk.

Its gonna be a long road ahead. As it hits closer to home and more people are able to see firsthand, instead of what is just portrayed on TV, I feel many will begin to change their minds about all of this for the better or the worse, but they will have a different perspective.

 

[menhaden_man]

Here's some more govt winning, in our little town 1 nursing home is currently staffed with 9 cna's. They should have 21. Residents are already underserved. Biden just announced that all nursing home workers will be required to be vaxxed or they'll pull some funding mechanism, basically they would be forced to close. If they follow the mandate cna's will quite and they'd pretty much have to close. Since it's now indisputable that vaxxed can still get and spread covid what benefit do the residents get by having vaxxed nurses? Humanitarian crisis here we come.

My wife is RN that works the COVID floor off and on since it first started. Funny how all of 2020 they were (unvaxxed) heroes dealing with hundreds/thousands of patients and now they're being called out as part of the problem?

 

[Laramie]

Or imagine not birthing a viable fetus/child because your blood vessels to your placenta clotted off and starved your child from blood flow at 28 weeks gestation. You are left with a dead fetus and now require a c-section to remove the dead fetus. Mother was unvaccinated. This just happened today at my institution a few hours ago. And yesterday, a 30 yo mother gives birth to a healthy child yet the mother dies from COVID. Also unvaccinated.

Sure Pharmaceutical companies are a business and businesses have to make money. I have learned to love and dislike them. The only reason I dislike them is because the cost passed on to the patient. But beyond that, they are making some amazing medications that hep millions of people. Is there ONE single drug in the world made that doesn’t have a side effect profile? NOPE.

Someone earlier had mentioned the Democrats were pushing the agenda, feeding the dribble to the media. I won’t give my opinion on that comment but this has indeed become a very political pandemic. However as a current Texan and a staunch Republican I can assure you what I have said and seen reported is factual.

Yes, the “goal posts” have to move. They will not stop moving until this is completely understood and the solution given is infallible. Just like anything else in life that can be improved, simplified, done more cost effectively, or have a better outcome. I would dare say there are very few topics that are 100% completely understood. We aren’t anywhere close to that scenario IMO. No the current vaccine isn’t an end all be all. It’s not a cure. At best, it’s currently drastically minimizing symptoms from an active infection, which is a huge win when comparing those currently admitted to the hospital who either have or have not been vaccinated. It’s not even close percentage wise. To claim anything more is simply false. Does the vaccine have known side effects yes, yes it does. Do we have a hospital full of vaccine side effect victims that have been admitted strictly because of their side effects. None currently where I work that I am aware of, but acknowledge a few have required further work up. What is being asked currently is to weight the known risks of COVID versus the known risks/benefits of the vaccine. The “unknown” risk is well, unknown. Anyone can make up anything and say it’s an unknown potential risk.

Its gonna be a long road ahead. As it hits closer to home and more people are able to see firsthand, instead of what is just portrayed on TV, I feel many will begin to change their minds about all of this for the better or the worse, but they will have a different perspective.

Appreciate your opinion... and delivery.

 

[Broomd]

Well bless your heart. I’m gonna go buy Pfizer stock brb.


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That's some tacky sh t right there.

You can disagree, but have some freakin' humanity. What ringworm described in his posting is unbelievable pain x 10 for that family and for anyone that tries to love their fellow man..

 

[redcorn65]

That's some tacky sh t right there.

You can disagree, but have some freakin' humanity. What ringworm described in his posting is unbelievable pain x 10 for that family and for anyone that tries to love their fellow man..

How did you pick up the part about me not caring about the family in his story? I said bless your heart because he believes pharma cares about cures. Would you rather me personally attacked this man and called him an idiot? I’m sure he’s an intelligent guy but my point is, everyone should be allowed to do their own risk assessment. I choose to wait and see the long term studies.


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[gelton]

Or imagine not birthing a viable fetus/child because your blood vessels to your placenta clotted off and starved your child from blood flow at 28 weeks gestation. You are left with a dead fetus and now require a c-section to remove the dead fetus. Mother was unvaccinated. This just happened today at my institution a few hours ago. And yesterday, a 30 yo mother gives birth to a healthy child yet the mother dies from COVID. Also unvaccinated.

Sure Pharmaceutical companies are a business and businesses have to make money. I have learned to love and dislike them. The only reason I dislike them is because the cost passed on to the patient. But beyond that, they are making some amazing medications that hep millions of people. Is there ONE single drug in the world made that doesn’t have a side effect profile? NOPE.

Someone earlier had mentioned the Democrats were pushing the agenda, feeding the dribble to the media. I won’t give my opinion on that comment but this has indeed become a very political pandemic. However as a current Texan and a staunch Republican I can assure you what I have said and seen reported is factual.

Yes, the “goal posts” have to move. They will not stop moving until this is completely understood and the solution given is infallible. Just like anything else in life that can be improved, simplified, done more cost effectively, or have a better outcome. I would dare say there are very few topics that are 100% completely understood. We aren’t anywhere close to that scenario IMO. No the current vaccine isn’t an end all be all. It’s not a cure. At best, it’s currently drastically minimizing symptoms from an active infection, which is a huge win when comparing those currently admitted to the hospital who either have or have not been vaccinated. It’s not even close percentage wise. To claim anything more is simply false. Does the vaccine have known side effects yes, yes it does. Do we have a hospital full of vaccine side effect victims that have been admitted strictly because of their side effects. None currently where I work that I am aware of, but acknowledge a few have required further work up. What is being asked currently is to weight the known risks of COVID versus the known risks/benefits of the vaccine. The “unknown” risk is well, unknown. Anyone can make up anything and say it’s an unknown potential risk.

Its gonna be a long road ahead. As it hits closer to home and more people are able to see firsthand, instead of what is just portrayed on TV, I feel many will begin to change their minds about all of this for the better or the worse, but they will have a different perspective.

In an earlier post, you stated that you had already had Covid and still got the vaccine.

I am wondering if you believe in herd immunity sans vaccine and if you have read the reports that natural immunity outlasts vaccine immunity and if so, why did you feel it important to inject yourself with a foreign substance when you already had some level of natural immunity?

Also, in the example above you talk about pregnant women dying or their children dying when there are numerous reports of Facebook groups (that were quickly banned) and other groups of expecting mothers who experienced near-instantaneous miscarriage after taking the vaccine - a focus group that has not even been tested for adverse effects. Even the recent "approval" is only for 16 years and up meaning the vaccine is most likely dangerous for infants i.e. fetuses. How do you square that circle?

For others out there that have already been infected, why would it be important to get the vaccine given the numerous studies that show the efficacy of natural infection to be better than a vaccine that will soon require a 3rd booster shot?

Genuinely interested in your opinion given that according to VAERS there have been over 60K adverse reactions and 12K deaths after taking the jab.