What's up with the Garmin Xero Bow Sight

[Szwampdonkey]

You make quite an effort here but it’s an argument for crossbows during general season or perhaps a bow > crossbow > rifle progression. For all your typing you can’t defeat the fact that every dictionary defines archery as bow and arrow.

Also, no one asked for your psychoanalysis of their emotional state and the secret subconsciously buried motivations why they think archery should be bow as the dictionary and common sense will tell you.

Your mommy was obviously disappointed with you when you promised you were going to get her a deer that was “this big” and when you failed and she gave you that disappointed look you obviously started to look for other ways to make her happy including convincing yourself that archery could include trebuchet, ballista and crossbow.

Please don’t respond unless it’s to apologize to the other guy.

To clarify, i’m NOT against using crossbows to hunt.

I am against calling them bows and allowing them during a 4 month long season designed for less efficient weapons.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Doesn’t seem like I’m the one crying, here.

Hunter numbers are shrinking each year. Show me the numbers for your state that prove that crossbow kills surpass bow kills by a wide margin. I’m thinking you’re going to come up short on that.

And what have been your first-hand experiences that there is a certain mentality being brought in by hunters using crossbows.

And when did this conversation change to crossbows? I thought we were talking about the Garmin Xero sight, and how its use has no affect on you. I’d rather someone use a Garmin Xero and hit dead on, than make a bad shot and wound an animal.

While you’re looking up statistics for Wisconsin, see if you can find how many deer are un-recovered by recurve/traditional bow hunters, compared to compound and crossbow. I don’t know if those statistics are maintained, but have a sneaking suspicion which way the stats weigh heaviest.

So you say that there are “10 times the number of bowhunters” out there, since Wisconsin legalized. Can you prove that? So am I mistaken, or are you just upset that you don’t have the whole woods to yourself? You said before that archery is dying, but then you turned right around and said there’s 10 times the number of bowhunters. Crossbows have been around since roughly 6 B.C. By that fact, you should be more concerned then, with gun hunters invading your “private public land”.

So you’ve got some more competition in the woods over the last 8 years, so what. I think your emotions are letting you make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. I highly doubt that crossbows outnumber vertical bows by the 10:1 margin you suggest. Nor do I believe that crossbow kills have a wider margin on harvest rates than vertical bows. I’d be willing to bet there are far more vertical bow hunters than crossbows hunters in Wisconsin. I think you - if you - see one or two people with a crossbow, you assume there is a hundred behind them. You’re letting your emotions cause you to make irrational claims. Facts, my friend, find the facts before you make the bold claims.

Take a look at website activity. Compare the activity on the crossbow sections to the activity on the vertical bow sections. The activity difference is in terms of millions.

Ever been to an ASA shoot? How many vertical bows compared to Crossbows? Just guessing here, I’d say 1000:1.

Stop letting what others do steal your joy. Live your life your way and stop thinking you have a right to control what other people choose to legally do. It’s not with your heartache.


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So far the numbers in WI for 2024:

Bow killed deer 35990
Crossbow killed deer 58214

Actual bow hunters 100% are a dying breed. Archery hunting is slowly being wiped out because most will take the path of least resistance which a crossbow is. Pretty hard to argue otherwise but i suspect you’ll try.

 

[turbobrick]

I really like mine, its easy to use and the big FOV works for me. I am planning on selling it though, I'm changing bows and need a different style sight.

 

[gf99-99]

I had about 10 buddies that got them right out of the gate....now only one guy still uses it. Multiple reasons for dumping it.

My guess is you can find one cheap in the classifieds

This is a very interesting stat. Any more details on the reasons why everyone ditched them? I would be super curious to know.

It also really depends on the type of hunting you do. If you use a blind or tree stand and have a lot of time to range objects before an animal comes in, not too big of an advantage If you do more spot and stalk in wide open areas they are a huge advantage.

Almost all "spot and stalk"

 

[ezwy]

I think a sight light the xero would be cool on a 300 blackout subsonic……

 

[ezwy]

Or is this the wrong thread? Sorry

 

[NMJM]

I think a sight light the xero would be cool on a 300 blackout subsonic……

I like your thinking

 

[IW17]

Man oh man, this thread is gonna really blow up when someone mentions garmins rangefinder scope for crossbows.

 

[KHNC]

They are legal in AZ. As long as you are not projecting a visible light on the target electronic sights are legal.

What is prohibited with the exceptions listed ARS code Section R12-4-303 - Unlawful Activities, Ammunition, Devices, and Methods:

d. Electronic night vision equipment, electronically enhanced light-gathering devices, thermal imaging devices or laser sights projecting a visible light; except for devices such as laser range finders projecting a non-visible light, scopes with self-illuminating reticles, and fiber optic sights with self-illuminating sights or pins that do not project a visible light onto an animal.

States Where Garmin Xero is Legal:

Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey

States Where Garmin Xero is Illegal:

Alabama
California
Colorado
Florida
Idaho
Kansas
Montana
North Dakota
Oregon
South Dakota
Washington

Yeah you missed plenty of legal states

 

[KHNC]

I got a Xero end of last season and have used it all year this year. So far it is just "Ok". Killed a cow elk, a buck and a doe using it on my PSE Mach 34 so far. Also missed 2 does at less than 25 yards and have had to "re-calibrate" the damn thing at LEAST 8 times just this season. No apparent reason that i can figure out. One day it will be sighted in dead nuts zeroed and the next it will hit 4 inches high at 30 yards. Then , get it zeroed at 20 and 50 and it hits 3 inches high at 30. Its a damn crap shoot with it. I am really considering dumping it after this season. Why i am still using it is a mystery. Other than the fact i love not having to use my RF prior to the shot.

 

[BBob]

Yeah you missed plenty of legal states

Garmin missed a lot of legal states, that's where the list came from.

 

[Archerichards]

I owned one. Sold it. Why?

• It was another heavy, bulky, object bolted to the side of my bow.
• As a whitetail hunter with mostly sub 30yard shots, the range finding feature just wasn't as necessary as I thought it would be.
• Garmin requires two taps to engage the target, which is another distraction in the high pressure moment of making a hunting shot.
• It's electronic, complex, and not exactly point-and-shoot. So a lot of hunters had, maybe, 95% confidence in it but not quite 100%. Fixed sights are considered sure-fire and simple.

 

[KHNC]

This thread has inspired me to kill some does this wkd with my Ravin xbow. Havent taken it into the woods in two years.