What’s going on with the Factory Hornady 7 PRC ammo?????

[QuickTrigger7]

That it will but should be higher then 2805 first 10 round average.

 

[Jlowry809]

Got several boxes of a new batch of Federal and it shot great. SD wasn’t as low as first batch I had but still can’t complain for factory ammo.

 

[liv4thehunt1]

I had some of the original ammo from 12 months ago and it was 2900’s, this last batch won’t break 2800 from Proof and Bartlein. The groups are crazy inconsistent at the lower speeds.

 

[rileybassman]

I had some of the original ammo from 12 months ago and it was 2900’s, this last batch won’t break 2800 from Proof and Bartlein. The groups are crazy inconsistent at the lower speeds.

They are different powders. Check the vid a few post up... Like 3-4 different powders from Hornady in their ammo. Supposedly they are not shoes to get the powder they want.

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[MidGAHunter]

The Hornady Precision Hunter 175 ELD-X ammo has shown wide lot to lot variability in my recent testing. I have a 7 PRC built off a Tikka action, Bartlein CFW 18 inch barrel, Thunderbeast Ultra 7 can. All velocity numbers below are averaged over the entirety of a 20 round box. I'd shoot 5 shots, let barrel cool, 5 shots, and so on. All were shot on the same day/conditions with temps at 85-92 degrees. I didn't track the groups with pictures but the higher velocity lots grouped better, but would also show occasional pressure signs.

LOT number/ Avg velocity (fps)
3232307 / 2634
3232308 / 2610
3234123 / 2661
3234253 / 2726


By comparison, a box of the Federal 175 ELD-X shot 2801 fps out of the same rifle on the same day in the same conditions with zero pressure signs. I'm handloading for this rifle with RL-26, but if I wasn't I'd go with the Federal ammo. The Hornady ammo shot worse, was slower, and had pressure signs intermittently.

 

[Gadjet]

The Hornady Precision Hunter 175 ELD-X ammo has shown wide lot to lot variability in my recent testing. I have a 7 PRC built off a Tikka action, Bartlein CFW 18 inch barrel, Thunderbeast Ultra 7 can. All velocity numbers below are averaged over the entirety of a 20 round box. I'd shoot 5 shots, let barrel cool, 5 shots, and so on. All were shot on the same day/conditions with temps at 85-92 degrees. I didn't track the groups with pictures but the higher velocity lots grouped better, but would also show occasional pressure signs.

LOT number/ Avg velocity (fps)
3232307 / 2634
3232308 / 2610
3234123 / 2661
3234253 / 2726


By comparison, a box of the Federal 175 ELD-X shot 2801 fps out of the same rifle on the same day in the same conditions with zero pressure signs. I'm handloading for this rifle with RL-26, but if I wasn't I'd go with the Federal ammo. The Hornady ammo shot worse, was slower, and had pressure signs intermittently.

2801 sounds pretty good for factory ammo out of an 18 inch barrel. I’m having a similar build done with a Tikka action and bartlein cf 20 inch. What kind of velocity and groups are you getting with your reloads?

 

[MidGAHunter]

2801 sounds pretty good for factory ammo out of an 18 inch barrel. I’m having a similar build done with a Tikka action and bartlein cf 20 inch. What kind of velocity and groups are you getting with your reloads?

I've only been shooting factory ammo while accumulating components. I have all components now and will be starting load workup (Form's method) soon and will post that info.

 

[ElkPRC]

The Hornady Precision Hunter 175 ELD-X ammo has shown wide lot to lot variability in my recent testing. I have a 7 PRC built off a Tikka action, Bartlein CFW 18 inch barrel, Thunderbeast Ultra 7 can. All velocity numbers below are averaged over the entirety of a 20 round box. I'd shoot 5 shots, let barrel cool, 5 shots, and so on. All were shot on the same day/conditions with temps at 85-92 degrees. I didn't track the groups with pictures but the higher velocity lots grouped better, but would also show occasional pressure signs.

LOT number/ Avg velocity (fps)
3232307 / 2634
3232308 / 2610
3234123 / 2661
3234253 / 2726


By comparison, a box of the Federal 175 ELD-X shot 2801 fps out of the same rifle on the same day in the same conditions with zero pressure signs. I'm handloading for this rifle with RL-26, but if I wasn't I'd go with the Federal ammo. The Hornady ammo shot worse, was slower, and had pressure signs intermittently.

So I am curious what you mean by the Hornady ammo had pressure sign. From a physics perspective it’s not possible to be low on velocity and high on pressure.

Were you seeing increase extractor markings? What can actually happen when a load is loaded very light is the brass does not fully expand and grip the outer wall of the chamber. By not doing this and have that grip from friction with the chamber wall there is increased pressure on the bolt, but overall lower pressure is observed and the load is still very safe.

I’d be willing to bet that if you got brass from the lower Hornady loads and then from hot hand loads or the faster Federal ammo you would see a difference in headspace length on the fired brass.

 

[kickemall]

Shot my 7 PRC yesterday with Federal ELD X and it chrono'd at 2956 from a 24" barrel with solid under an inch five shot groups. Same gun shot Hornady ELD X at 2878 about a month ago and not nearly as good of groups.

 

[rileybassman]

So I am curious what you mean by the Hornady ammo had pressure sign. From a physics perspective it’s not possible to be low on velocity and high on pressure.

Were you seeing increase extractor markings? What can actually happen when a load is loaded very light is the brass does not fully expand and grip the outer wall of the chamber. By not doing this and have that grip from friction with the chamber wall there is increased pressure on the bolt, but overall lower pressure is observed and the load is still very safe.

I’d be willing to bet that if you got brass from the lower Hornady loads and then from hot hand loads or the faster Federal ammo you would see a difference in headspace length on the fired brass.

I had pressure issues with Hornady and low speeds too... You can have high pressure low velocity with COAL issues. The Hornady loads I had were too long and jammed into the lands. Federal was shorter and chambered/removed find, Hornady had lands marks and was sticky to extract.

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[Bluefish]

So I am curious what you mean by the Hornady ammo had pressure sign. From a physics perspective it’s not possible to be low on velocity and high on pressure.

It is if it’s a different powder. Different burn speed, so it hits pressure at lower speeds.

 

[MidGAHunter]

So I am curious what you mean by the Hornady ammo had pressure sign. From a physics perspective it’s not possible to be low on velocity and high on pressure.

Were you seeing increase extractor markings? What can actually happen when a load is loaded very light is the brass does not fully expand and grip the outer wall of the chamber. By not doing this and have that grip from friction with the chamber wall there is increased pressure on the bolt, but overall lower pressure is observed and the load is still very safe.

I’d be willing to bet that if you got brass from the lower Hornady loads and then from hot hand loads or the faster Federal ammo you would see a difference in headspace length on the fired brass.

The Hornady and Federal loads are clearly not using the same powder. The Federal loads are shorter than the Hornady, but in my rifle there is still plenty of length to the lands so they are not jamming. Using the Hornady comparator tool, fired brass to the shoulder is the same across both loads. By pressure, I mean head swipes and stiff bolt lift. The Hornady load is hitting pressure at lower velocities. That's going to be due to the difference in powder used.

 

[ElkPRC]

The Hornady and Federal loads are clearly not using the same powder. The Federal loads are shorter than the Hornady, but in my rifle there is still plenty of length to the lands so they are not jamming. Using the Hornady comparator tool, fired brass to the shoulder is the same across both loads. By pressure, I mean head swipes and stiff bolt lift. The Hornady load is hitting pressure at lower velocities. That's going to be due to the difference in powder used.

I still highly doubt that the Hornady loads are over pressure. Who knows I could be wrong, but I think be greatly overestimate how accurately they can detect pressure by these “metrics”. You can have a heavy bolt lift and other things for various reasons, or be extremely over on pressure with no symptoms what so ever.

I see what you are saying about them likely being different powders, I missed it before that they weren’t the same ammo. But with that said I still think it is entirely possible that the loads were actually under pressured, and didn’t adequately grab the chamber side walls and that’s why you experienced your “pressure signs”.

Also, looking at that short of a barrel and getting that velocity out of your Federal ammo, I’d be more concerned about them being over then the Hornady’s. Not defending Hornady, their ammo has gone to shit lately, but under-pressured, not over.

 

[MidGAHunter]

I still highly doubt that the Hornady loads are over pressure. Who knows I could be wrong, but I think be greatly overestimate how accurately they can detect pressure by these “metrics”. You can have a heavy bolt lift and other things for various reasons, or be extremely over on pressure with no symptoms what so ever.

I see what you are saying about them likely being different powders, I missed it before that they weren’t the same ammo. But with that said I still think it is entirely possible that the loads were actually under pressured, and didn’t adequately grab the chamber side walls and that’s why you experienced your “pressure signs”.

Also, looking at that short of a barrel and getting that velocity out of your Federal ammo, I’d be more concerned about them being over then the Hornady’s. Not defending Hornady, their ammo has gone to shit lately, but under-pressured, not over.

Fired cartridges measured the same dimensions (not just to the shoulder). The Hornady, at a lower velocity, is swiping heads and causing sticky bolt lift but the round you believe to be over pressure has neither issue (and again, fired case dimensions are the same for both). The powder in the Hornady ammo is likely faster burning. It's hitting pressure. The Federal isn't. You can argue all you want. I really don't care. I'm simply posting objective data.

 

[brazz04]

Just got mine together on a Tikka with a 22" Proof barrel. Put the first 15 rounds through it this week. Started at 2775, and by the 15th shot it was up to about 2825 per the Garmin. It was very accurate throughout.

 

[WCB]

So I am curious what you mean by the Hornady ammo had pressure sign. From a physics perspective it’s not possible to be low on velocity and high on pressure.

Were you seeing increase extractor markings? What can actually happen when a load is loaded very light is the brass does not fully expand and grip the outer wall of the chamber. By not doing this and have that grip from friction with the chamber wall there is increased pressure on the bolt, but overall lower pressure is observed and the load is still very safe.

I’d be willing to bet that if you got brass from the lower Hornady loads and then from hot hand loads or the faster Federal ammo you would see a difference in headspace length on the fired brass.

You're head is going to explode when you find out Pressures and Velocities are not connected at the hip and you can get lower pressure rounds with higher velocities.

 

[Scottf270]

May be old news but just saw Federal is bringing out a tipped Fusion line. Don't know any bullet bc's but Midway showed 3,000 fps with a 7 prc at 170 grains. Good to have options

 

[Goaticus]

Has anyone noted the lower velocities in the Precision Hunter Outfitter (copper 165g)? First box out of my Kelbly with Preferred 24" barrel was averaging around 2975.

 

[QuickTrigger7]

Has anyone noted the lower velocities in the Precision Hunter Outfitter (copper 165g)? First box out of my Kelbly with Preferred 24" barrel was averaging around 2975.

anything hornady i wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole.

 

[Forrest84]

Been recently testing two new rifles with hornady factory ELDM and precision hunter. One is a full custom 7prc and the other is a factory tikka 300wsm. The 300 is smoking the pants off of the PRC in accuracy and repeatability. Both rifles weigh the same.

24” factory barrel
300wsm 200gr eldx precision hunter
2740fps
SD- 8fps in 10 shot groups
.5 moa at 100 5 shot groups
..6 moa at 300 in 5 shot groups
Much less recoil than the prc

7prc 22” proof barrel
180 ELDM @ 2840 fps
SD 18fps 10 shot groups
.75 moa at 100 5 shot group
1.3 moa @ 300 5 shot group
Sharp recoil impulse