What is Federal paying to shill for 7 backcountry?

[omicron1792]

I wonder if the hand waving here isn’t a little bit of sadness that the improved velocity and performance gained by the reloading crowd “might” expand to us factory ammo shooting non reloaders.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

They are just taking a page from the Hornady 6.5 marketing campaigns. Federal being a for profit company and this being a new cartridge, that may or may not be reloaded, represents a new rev stream for the company.

 

[HuntHarder]

I wonder if the hand waving here isn’t a little bit of sadness that the improved velocity and performance gained by the reloading crowd “might” expand to us factory ammo shooting non reloaders.

I agree, I am a reloader, but in my opinion this was opposite of a reloader cartridge. This allows factory ammo to be at higher pressures. That is why a bunch of people reload amongst various other reasons. Essentially pushing the edge of safe to shoot. Hell, Jake only shoots his ammo once because it's so hot.

 

[PsRpOiGrRiAtM]

I have a sneaking suspicion that if there was a S2H podcast about something they "just discovered," about stronger casings and performance in a shorter barrel, this crew would've been slobbering all over it. The fact that it was Federal and it didn't live up to *some* hype, has people foaming at the mouth. It's crazy how polarizing it is, but it shouldn't be a surprise in an archaic industry.

It's no different than the 6.5 Creedmoor or 77gr TMK scenario--there's a bit of a challenge to the status quo, but ultimately it moves us forward as an industry; an industry that holds brand loyalty and lore on a pedestal that's hard to dismantle.

Granted, there have been some teething issues with FTEs on some platforms, but overall it looks like this is a promising foundation for other cartridges to gain some performance. Hell, listen to some of the S2H podcasts about only 1x firing of brass before discarding and this might start sounding a tad more appealing.

Personally, I still haven't bought a 7 BC, because I already have a 6.5 PRC, but I'm following closely for an option to come in at a lighter weight, with a shorter platform, that's just as effective. But you can guarantee that I'm looking to see if there's a deal to get in on the platform based on performance claims.

 

[cal30_sniper]

WAY different steel

Do we know the respective alloys in use here?

I have no doubt that they’re different. I also have no very little doubt that even traditional steel cases have a higher tensile strength and hardness than cartridge brass. If we figure out effective reloading methods for peak alloy we may find they transfer well to traditional steel cases for higher pressure options on a budget. More likely, we see peak alloy cases introduced in other traditional calibers at some point, though I’d imagine SAAMI may not adopt that as appropriate.

 

[cal30_sniper]

Hell, listen to some of the S2H podcasts about only 1x firing of brass before discarding and this might start sounding a tad more appealing.

To me this is a pivotal point. We already have a ton of people (myself included) using hard, thick webbed brass like ADG to hide pressure signs that would probably blow primers and lock bolts with lesser brass. This tech could take that idea to the next level.

 

[UnckleBob]

Trying to create an unnecessary market. I miss the days the folks only had 3006, 270. 30-30, 243, etc. All still great rounds...

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A few things have changed since 1955.

Whether it is the Backcountry or some other product, high pressure rounds out of suppressed, short barrel rifles are the future.

The fact that Federal is pushing it again suggests sales were good enough to justify spending more money pushing their technology.

 

[199p]

The technology is cool even if this round ends up being a flop, i enjoy seeing people at least trying something different.

 

[UnckleBob]

And in a rifle that most likely weighs less with the shorter barrel. Recipe for missed shots.

In the field, the 7BC rifles rifles aren't going to end up much lighter than grandpa's 300 WM with a scope on it.

First, most people using a 7 BC will want a suppressor which immediately adds 8-16 oz. The more weight/lenght saved on the barrel, the heavier/longer the suppressor can be.

Second, it is easy to add weight back into a system: heavier profile barrel, heavier stock/chassis, heavier scopes.

The key factors favoring a 7 BV are barrel length and suppressors.

I am leaving for a deer hunt tomorrow morning.
- My 223 Tikka is staying home because it is not suppressed.
- My rifle with a 24" barrel is staying home because a 31" (24" + 6.5" can ) barrel would be a handful in the portable ground blind I might use for parts of the hunt.

 

[Bowfinn]

This video just popped up for me today. Looks like the Lee dies far FL sizing, but it appears to be relatively easy.