What is Federal paying to shill for 7 backcountry?

[ReaptheHeat]

So basically there is all this velocity that really only comes into play at distance these folks have no business shooting. Seems like a lot of effort to do things a 18” 7-08 does just fine.


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And in a rifle that most likely weighs less with the shorter barrel. Recipe for missed shots.

 

[bnewt3]

So basically there is all this velocity that really only comes into play at distance these folks have no business shooting. Seems like a lot of effort to do things a 18” 7-08 does just fine.


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But thats what we as humans tend to do, instead of improving our skills with or around the tools we have, improve the capability of the tool.

Not saying thats what we should do, thats just the reality of what most people do.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

That's a lifetime for the people they're marketing it to.

3-5 rounds to re-zero their leupold scope every year and 0-2 rounds at animals. They'll be able to pass it down in 30 years and it'll still have half its life left.

Haha you assume 7 BC will be on the shelf in a lifetime... And you can't reload it

 

[bnewt3]

Haha you assume 7 BC will be on the shelf in a lifetime... And you can't reload it

YET, they've been very clear that reloading is coming.

 

[bnewt3]

That's a quick and dirty way to estimate barrel life that works when comparing a 7mm-08 to a 7RM but doesn't really translate to a 80k+ PSI cartridge.

64 grains of a faster, hotter powder like N560 will erode the throat much faster than 67 grains of a slower, colder powder like H1000. That's 95% of the capacity with a powder that burns ~10% hotter.

There's no such thing as free velocity. To get a 175 grain 7mm to go 3,000 fps out of a 18 inch barrel, you're gonna burn it up. There's no way around it.

I stand corrected.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

YET, they've been very clear that reloading is coming.

 

[bnewt3]

You could be right, or maybe not. Generally speaking, we are far less patient these days than we used to be.

 

[alexnelon]

YET, they've been very clear that reloading is coming.

Lee has dies already. RCBS bailed completely.

Lee basically said "here are some dies the right size, good luck..."

 

[The Guide]

YET, they've been very clear that reloading is coming.

And the reloading is going to be pretty simple from what I've seen. Remove primer, neck size only (as reported by Federal), reprime, add powder, add bullet, and shoot again. We will see how it pans out. Hope it works out as there are more things coming that will bring current cartridges into a new era according to my LGS owner based on discussions with the Federal Rep.

Jay

 

[ReaptheHeat]

You could be right, or maybe not. Generally speaking, we are far less patient these days than we used to be.

I think 10 months after release is more than reasonable. Cart before the horse and was promised before release.

Seems like a ploy to sell more ammo and milk it as much as possible.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

If it was a 6 Backcountry this forum would be falling over itself praising it.

The caliber isn’t the problem, it’s the incomplete (not feasible?, tbd) information on reloading and the production was launched.

If the ability to reload it was sorted out someone would just wildcat it to different calibers.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Don’t we get the same shilling here from sponsor (s)?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

And the reloading is going to be pretty simple from what I've seen. Remove primer, neck size only (as reported by Federal), reprime, add powder, add bullet, and shoot again. We will see how it pans out. Hope it works out as there are more things coming that will bring current cartridges into a new era according to my LGS owner based on discussions with the Federal Rep.

Jay

If it was that simple I am surprised the reloading die makers are having problems with it.


Hopefully it all gets sorted out but the salesman saying "don't worry we'll take care of that" and it not following thru isn't a new occurrence in the marketing world.

 

[KurtR]

Im a mechanic so I think in ugga-duggas. What's the conversion from wallop to ugga-dugga?

I dont know if there is a linear conversion but im sure Spoomer has a chart for it

 

[bnewt3]

I think 10 months after release is more than reasonable. Cart before the horse and was promised before release.

Seems like a ploy to sell more ammo and milk it as much as possible.

Or maybe, just spitballing here, its a completely new case material that has taken some time for Lee to figure out?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Don’t we get the same shilling here from sponsor (s)?

I thought you were younger...

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Or maybe, just spitballing here, its a completely new case material that has taken some time for Lee to figure out?

"Special note: steel cases require substantial effort to full length resize. Be sure you’re using ample, high performance case lubricant like our Lee Resizing Lubricant. When sizing, once the effort becomes extreme, remove the case and redistribute the lubricant, re-insert the case and size to completion."

That could be a "hey this is gonna be a bit harder" or it could be "lol good F'n luck folks, you wanted it, here it is. Don't come to us if you break your press".

Hopefully its the former but we'll see. Now that the dies are out shouldn't there be videos showing how feasible the reloading is already?

 

[bnewt3]

I think 10 months after release is more than reasonable. Cart before the horse and was promised before release.

Seems like a ploy to sell more ammo and milk it as much as possible.

objectively, i dont see how that makes any sense financially if thats their goal. new cartridge, new manufacturing processes and therefore all new tooling and probably some new machines and all the costs associated with it, just to sell more for a few months. knowing that its a fairly niche, but growing, market. I doubt a few more months gets them their money back.

 

[bnewt3]

"Special note: steel cases require substantial effort to full length resize. Be sure you’re using ample, high performance case lubricant like our Lee Resizing Lubricant. When sizing, once the effort becomes extreme, remove the case and redistribute the lubricant, re-insert the case and size to completion."

That could be a "hey this is gonna be a bit harder" or it could be "lol good F'n luck folks, you wanted it, here it is. Don't come to us if you break your press".

Hopefully its the former but we'll see. Now that the dies are out shouldn't there be videos showing how feasible the reloading is already?

in one of the videos, the Fed rep said they only need neck resizing since the alloy is far more resilient than brass.

 

[alexnelon]

Don’t we get the same shilling here from sponsor (s)?

People have a different reaction to seeing an ad from a company versus seeing shilling from third parties on their behalf.

I think the biggest source of disgust in this type of marketing is from the fact that a lot of guys didn't realize that their hunting influencer idols aren't independent third parties using the best equipment out of necessity, they're actually just bought-and-paid-for walking advertisements, rudderless marketing fodder prostituting themselves to the highest bidder.

It's like finding out wrestling isn't real.