Looking for some advice on Rifle Scopes and Suppressors.

[HandgunHTR]

The man the myth the legend said he no longer uses them for hard use. since then everyone started poo pooing them.

It really doesn't have anything to do with Form. I don't want to put words in the man's mouth, but I am pretty sure the only reason he isn't using his is because he has been testing/using the prototypes of the S2H scope.

The main reason why people are turning away from them is due to the inordinate price increase. The other providers who get their scopes from LOW, Tract being the main one that I know of, had a slight price increase (around 8%), but Maven decided an almost 30% price increase was warranted. They are still good scopes, but they aren't that good. I can get a used NF for that kind of money. I can also still get a Tract for less than $1000 with my military discount. I know that the Tract that Form tested didn't pass his drop test, but the two that I have passed my similar test and have served me quite well. Of course I am not as hard on my gear as some on this forum are and it may just be a matter of time, and I really like the Eagleman reticle on my second Tract. If it does crap out on a hunt and cost me an elk or deer, oh well. I don't hunt for the kill anymore. If I go on a OIAL hunt, I will take one of my other setups (most likely the ones with NF optics).

 

[flyfisher117]

It really doesn't have anything to do with Form. I don't want to put words in the man's mouth, but I am pretty sure the only reason he isn't using his is because he has been testing/using the prototypes of the S2H scope.

The main reason why people are turning away from them is due to the inordinate price increase. The other providers who get their scopes from LOW, Tract being the main one that I know of, had a slight price increase (around 8%), but Maven decided an almost 30% price increase was warranted. They are still good scopes, but they aren't that good. I can get a used NF for that kind of money. I can also still get a Tract for less than $1000 with my military discount. I know that the Tract that Form tested didn't pass his drop test, but the two that I have passed my similar test and have served me quite well. Of course I am not as hard on my gear as some on this forum are and it may just be a matter of time, and I really like the Eagleman reticle on my second Tract. If it does crap out on a hunt and cost me an elk or deer, oh well. I don't hunt for the kill anymore. If I go on a OIAL hunt, I will take one of my other setups (most likely the ones with NF optics).

They’re definitely not $1300+ scopes or what ever they charge now. Hence why I said I wouldn’t pay a dime over $1000 for one.

There has still been a shift where they magically aren’t as good and people recommending against them. Which is silly. Of the scopes we have on the market and available today they’re still just fine. So if OP needs one go snag one used and start using it today.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

They’re definitely not $1300+ scopes or what ever they charge now. Hence why I said I wouldn’t pay a dime over $1000 for one.

There has still been a shift where they magically aren’t as good and people recommending against them. Which is silly. Of the scopes we have on the market and available today they’re still just fine. So if OP needs one go snag one used and start using it today.

The shift was when SWFA 3-9x scopes began to be regularly in stock at $600. When those were not available, the Maven at below $1000 was a good alternative. But the Maven at $1400 versus the SWFA at $600 is a no-brainer. And that availability was what drove Form’s change in recommendation, which everyone is now repeating.

 

[flyfisher117]

The shift was when SWFA 3-9x scopes began to be regularly in stock at $600. When those were not available, the Maven at below $1000 was a good alternative. But the Maven at $1400 versus the SWFA at $600 is a no-brainer. And that availability was what drove Form’s change in recommendation, which everyone is now repeating.

They’re good too if they float one’s goat. After 16 years of owning SWFA I no longer have one in the safe. Maybe that will change if they can figure out how to keep their 6x in stock.