What clothes should we buy before PFAS regulations?

[Hnthrdr]

Goretex causes cancer? Please connect those dots for me.

Everything causes cancer these days. Seriously.

 

[goathunter]

Looks like the non PFA gore-tex answer is "ePE", anyone use it?

 

[Hoodie]

Meh. Gore-Tex kind of sucks. If I'm really worried about getting wet I'm wearing PVC rain gear or wool. DWR is cool for like the first month, but it's not very "durable."

 

[Szwampdonkey]

No it’s not, but it’s a forever toxin that will give you cancer. I am a Firefighter and we are more exposed to pfas chemicals than the average person. The cancer rates amongst firefighters would agree that pfas is pretty bad for you and you should definitely try to mitigate how much exposure you have. This is coming from strong conservative who doesn’t vacc and what not…

But how much exposure are you really getting from a boot or jacket? Prob more toxic and worrisome things in the stuff people are eating/drinking in the US.

Lead is bad for you but i’ve been using lead sinkers to fish my entire life, my old man before me. Neither of us have lead poisoning. That sorta thing.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Looks like the non PFA gore-tex answer is "ePE", anyone use it?

Until they find out ePE “causes cancer”.

 

[gtriple]

This is interesting to me, I get the whole wanting to be “safe” honestly though. My rain coat and boots are least of my worries. There are about a million other items, things, food, water type of stuff I worry about… I think rain gear would be top of the list, followed by boots. Not sure if this will hit down or synthetic down much. But I tend to wear wool/ natural fibers close to the body but nothing stops wind/rain like goretex

Down is moving towards gold particulate treatment, so it shouldn’t be affected. Although the surface DWR coating will be.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Down is moving towards gold particulate treatment, so it shouldn’t be affected. Although the surface DWR coating will be.

Good to know, I mean I could care less about the surface coating of down if I have reliable waterproofing shell… but could get tricky here in the future I guess

 

[goathunter]

Until they find out ePE “causes cancer”.

Ya no kidding
But I don't think PFA is like an only labeled for the state of California thing, it's actually pretty nasty stuff. The Gulch Gear owner was trying to explain why he didn't use it on here years back.

It's a moot point if it works as good as the old stuff no one will care or know it's changed but if it sucks everyone will complain.

I did buy a pack-lite gore-tex rain jacket a few years back that wets out immediately and has always been bomb proof in the past, but there may even be different grades of pack-lite. Or maybe it was EPE

 

[j3h8]

No it’s not, but it’s a forever toxin that will give you cancer. I am a Firefighter and we are more exposed to pfas chemicals than the average person. The cancer rates amongst firefighters would agree that pfas is pretty bad for you and you should definitely try to mitigate how much exposure you have. This is coming from strong conservative who doesn’t vacc and what not…

You sure the smoke from all of the various items to burning isn't what is causing an uptick in firefighter cancer?

Cool, I’d rather die of hypothermia from leaky rain gear than cancer anyway.


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It's interesting that you will probably sit in traffic and breathe in far more cancer causing carcinogens than what your boots will give you through your socks. Hell, unless you're running naked through the woods and the. Putting in your rain gear, you probably have some semblance of protection from that as well. But that's cool, keep making asinine comments about how your fears run your life.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Ya no kidding
But I don't think PFA is like an only labeled for the state of California thing, it's actually pretty nasty stuff. The Gulch Gear owner was trying to explain why he didn't use it on here years back.

It's a moot point if it works as good as the old stuff no one will care or know it's changed but if it sucks everyone will complain.

I did buy a pack-lite gore-tex rain jacket a few years back that wets out immediately and has always been bomb proof in the past, but there may even be different grades of pack-lite. Or maybe it was EPE

I get it man, i do. But it seems there is ALWAYS something new im supposed to be alarmed about. Like i wouldnt drink a gallon of PFA everyday but id definitely wear a pair of boots knowing my actual exposure is likely minimal and will probably have zero impact on my life.

Round Up was cancer causing too, some got cancer from it even MAYBE. But i know a landscape company owner whose used it for decades and he just retired at almost 70, no cancer. They reformulated the stuff now it doesn’t even kill weeds anymore despite having to use three times the amount. And what did they reformulate it with? And how long until we find out that causes cancer and it doesn’t even work.

Just seems around and around we go and i doubt these changes, alarmism, and govt bans have benefitted me as much as they would like us to believe. Prob benefits the ePE manufactures and the govt politicians whose palms are being greased to promote banning their competition. Yes, i’m a tinfoil hat skeptic with a lot of this stuff But in my defense the Govt doesn’t appear to be right or have my best interest in mind very often anymore. Profits for somebody somwhere seem to trump all.

 

[wyosam]

You sure the smoke from all of the various items to burning isn't what is causing an uptick in firefighter cancer?

It's interesting that you will probably sit in traffic and breathe in far more cancer causing carcinogens than what your boots will give you through your socks. Hell, unless you're running naked through the woods and the. Putting in your rain gear, you probably have some semblance of protection from that as well. But that's cool, keep making asinine comments about how your fears run your life.

Twas a joke sir. I should probably see if I can still get a dry suit made out of the good stuff. My current one is still dry but also about 12 years old. Maybe freshen up my lighter rain gear as well.


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[Maverick1]

Without getting into the politics or environmental effects of PFAS chemicals, it appears that they are eventually going to be outlawed in the US. I'm not a material expert, so I'm trying to figure out what pieces I should add or stock up on prior.

What clothing technologies are going to be going away due to this?

I'm going to start researching and reaching out to companies and will add them to the lists below.

PFAS materials:
Goretex
eVent
Visp (Enlightened Equipment)

non-PFAS materials:
Vertice (Zpacks)
eVent BIO

Has anyone answered your question? (Or too busy disagreeing about the causes of cancer?). What items have you been stocking up on?