What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Foldem]

Yeah I'm sharing new research and things were learning daily about a new virus, cause my mind is made up.

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[blueyceman]

A few relevant quotes to what's happening in US:

“History in a societal sense doesn't repeat, rather it seems to rhythm. That is due to the conspiring of a few and their conquest to corrupt, conquer and control. The elimination of common sense and the ability to think critically, destroys commutation and ultimately community.”
- Tom Hanks

"Fear is a question: What are you afraid of, and why? Just as the seed of health is in illness, because illness contains information, your fears are a treasure house of self-knowledge if you choose to explore them."
-MARILYN FERGUSON

"Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it."
-BILL KORTENBACH

“Gaslighting is mind control to make victims doubt their reality.”
- Tracy Malone

Remember, Mr. T said most recently on July 1st that the virus will 'just disappear'. Kind of like how WWII just ended, or some day you WILL die, or maybe some day I'll win the lottery. Got ya.

 

[Dustin the wind]

A few relevant quotes to what's happening in US:

“History in a societal sense doesn't repeat, rather it seems to rhythm. That is due to the conspiring of a few and their conquest to corrupt, conquer and control. The elimination of common sense and the ability to think critically, destroys commutation and ultimately community.”
- Tom Hanks

“Nationalism is a global pandemic.”
- Khalid Masood

"Fear is a question: What are you afraid of, and why? Just as the seed of health is in illness, because illness contains information, your fears are a treasure house of self-knowledge if you choose to explore them."
-MARILYN FERGUSON

"Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it."
-BILL KORTENBACH

“Gaslighting is mind control to make victims doubt their reality.”
- Tracy Malone

Remember, Mr. T said most recently on July 1st that the virus will 'just disappear'. Kind of like how WWII just ended, or some day you WILL die, or maybe some day I'll win the lottery. Got ya.

I do not understand. Are you stating that you take philosophical cues from the terrorist that perpetrated the Westminster attack?

 

[JustJustin]

Redirect Notice

Doesn't look like everybody is swallowing the Spain Spam.

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[durangobrad]

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Doesn't look like everybody is swallowing the Spain Spam.

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Just cause you don't like it, doesn't make it spam. It was a large study and well done.

Your article cites one small study with a bunch of "ifs" and "might" in the conclusion.

Lol, just realized you shared an opinion piece.

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[Billinsd]

No I definitely agree that's frustrating. Seems everyone is cherrypicking stats to suit the narrative for sure.

I'm sure there are stats that would and would not agree with that.

 

[Sacrvrrat72]

What i found additionally interesting was that some who tested positive for antibodies lost them over the course of the study in just a couple weeks. Ive seen this in some other studies as well. So it seams likely that you can loose the antibodies over time.

It is normal for antibodies to decrease over time. We generally don’t have large amounts of antibodies floating around the body all the time. The key is memory T cells that allow us to produce antibodies quickly to threats we have already been exposed to. While there is no guarantee we will have long term immunity to COVID-19, there is no reason to think we won’t at this point in time.


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[JustJustin]

Just cause you don't like it, doesn't make it spam. It was a large study and well done.

Your article cites one small study with a bunch of "ifs" and "might" in the conclusion.

Lol, just realized you shared an opinion piece.

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I know it was just opinion, but don't forget that these days not all "studies" are accurately reported by the news media.

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[durangobrad]

I know it was just opinion, but don't forget that these days not all "studies" are accurately reported by the news media.

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That's why I linked the actual study so you can see for yourself, instead of just calling anything that doesn't fit your agenda spam

And if you do believe we'll reach some sort of herd immunity when do you think that will be?

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[JustJustin]

That's why I linked the actual study so you can see for yourself, instead of just calling anything that doesn't fit your agenda spam

And if you do believe we'll reach some sort of herd immunity when do you think that will be?

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"Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic."

The study itself is just fine, but the conclusion that herd immunity is "unachievable" is doom&gloom.

The study stated that most confirmed cases DID have antibodies, which is good, and likely more accurate than the Eyores (the donkey in Winnie the Pooh) saying that immunity doesn't last.

Spain population~47,000,000
Spain Coronavirus cases per Worldometers ~300,000

Easy math. .0063829787
or .64% of Spain's population actually tested positive. So they should somehow be close to heard immunity? That's like hiking 100 ft up a 1,000ft mountain and saying "we can't climb this mountain because we're not at the top in 10 minutes."

Take tested coronavirus cases by a factor of 10. Now we have 6.4%, which is actually not far from the antibody numbers suggested. There's absolutely no grounds to shout doom & gloom that we can't reach herd immunity when less than 10% of the herd got the infection.
It could take several years (as was originally predicted) to reach herd immunity. However as the percentage of immunized civilization increases the rate of spread will decrease.

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[durangobrad]

"Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic."

The study itself is just fine, but the conclusion that herd immunity is "unachievable" is doom&gloom.

Spain population~47,000,000
Spain Coronavirus cases per Worldometers ~300,000

Easy math. .0063829787
or .64% of Spain's population actually tested positive. So they should somehow be close to heard immunity? That's like hiking 100 ft up a 1,000ft mountain and saying "we can't climb this mountain because we're not at the top in 10 minutes."

Take tested coronavirus cases by a factor of 10. Now we have 6.4%, which is actually not far from the antibody numbers suggested. There's absolutely no grounds to shout doom & gloom that we can't reach herd immunity when less than 10% of the herd got it.
It could take several years (as was originally predicted) to reach herd immunity. However as the percentage of immunized civilization increases the rate of spread will decrease.

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Thanks, all of that makes sense, I guess it's not surprising that Spain or any other country won't be close to herd immunity after the first wave.

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[Dustin the wind]

Sounds like they might come close to herd immunity after the 10th wave.

 

[JustJustin]

Sounds like they might come close to herd immunity after the 10th wave.

Treatment for coronavirus as well as a vaccine should be widely available before the 10th wave.
I predict widespread outbreaks locally, regionally, and possibly nationality until around New Year. Vaccine should be available by then or soon after. Deaths will rise again into September and spike higher into December as as people spend more time inside. Because a (relatively) high percentage of susceptible people already have died, the death rate will drop. JMO.

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[MattB]

Treatment for coronavirus as well as a vaccine should be widely available before the 10th wave.
I predict widespread outbreaks locally, regionally, and possibly nationality until around New Year. Vaccine should be available by then or soon after. Deaths will rise again into September and spike higher into December as as people spend more time inside. Because a (relatively) high percentage of susceptible people already have died, the death rate will drop. JMO.

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You are bad at having opinions. As of 2019 per the US Census Bureau, there were ~52 million US citizens 65 or older. We've had ~134K COVID deaths in the US - and some people, not saying who, are suggesting that number is overstated. That number doesn't even include people younger than 65 with co-morbidities. So, are we to respect your opinions when you suggest that 0.3% of the US population is a (relatively) high percentage?

Age and Sex Composition in the United States: 2019

These are the 2019 detailed tables for age and sex in the United States.

www.census.gov

 

[JustJustin]

You are bad at having opinions. As of 2019 per the US Census Bureau, there were ~52 million US citizens 65 or older. We've had ~134K COVID deaths in the US - and some people, not saying who, are suggesting that number is overstated. That number doesn't even include people younger than 65 with co-morbidities. So, are we to respect your opinions when you suggest that 0.3% of the US population is a (relatively) high percentage?

Age and Sex Composition in the United States: 2019

These are the 2019 detailed tables for age and sex in the United States.

www.census.gov

I did not say seniors. I said susceptible and by "susceptible" I took it for granted that people would have the IQ to to understand that in that context I meant the MOST susceptible. I should have been more concise. If you would narrow down 65+ to 65+ with preexisting conditions, i.e. respiratory illness, obesity, heart conditions, etc. , you would see a much higher death rate. (Relatively) high as on death rates is not 50%. The whole world is making much ado over <1% death rate, so a few percent is (relatively) high.

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[JustJustin]

As to me being bad at having opinions....

If CNN can blame Trump for coronavirus deaths and praise Cuomo for being perfect (even though he sent people WITH COVID-19 into nursing homes)

If some people can advocate shutdown until coronavirus is gone,

If people can justify looting, arson, and attacking law enforcement, because one person got shot,

If this country truly supports freedom of speech and press....

.........then I'm entitled to have an opinion.

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[Billinsd]

You think Mr T is a strong leader? That's the best joke I've heard in a long time!

Trump is an extremely strong leader, however he is not a popular leader. A big Part of that is himself and the other is the leftists.

 

[Mike7]

I personally thought that the Spain data back from April/March infections was interesting for other reasons, but not so much as a conclusion or opinion regarding herd immunity. It was from a relatively narrow time period, early on in this pandemic, and in a country instituting social antiviral measures. Young people were underrepresented and they excluded old folks homes from the numbers.

So I was kind of surprised that the average of rural and urban areas was approx 5%...that is a lot of people getting this very quickly when factored into the country's total population, and this seems to go right along with the feared death and destruction from this virus to communities as a whole thankfully having been overblown.

Currently all of Northern Idaho has had 600 confirmed cases with 1 death (0.16% death rate before taking into account all of the asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic untested cases), and despite no universal lockdowns (older people are being more careful, schools were closed, and nursing homes have been more careful).

This would seem to be unbelievable, and understandably it is a small number, but it doesnt surprise me. I think that when all is said and done, you will see that the additional deaths above the monthly average for most states for the next year, regardless of whether a good vaccine is able to be manufactured, will be close to the usual monthly average for our country/medical system if we don't cause too many covid intervention/hype related unintended consequences (i.e. preventative care being deferred, MI's going untreated, suicide and homicide increases, etc.).

While in 3rd world countries you will see low covid case counts/tests, but increased overall monthly mortality numbers.

 

[NDGuy]

Trump is an extremely strong leader

He's very smart too. Some say the smartest they've ever seen ever. Fine people too......

Im amazed anyone can watch that man speak and think he’s a good leader. He constantly deflects blame and can’t form a coherent sentence.

For the record, I have voted right in each election.

Out of curiosity, why do you think he’s a good leader? Specifically, as I’m just surprised people feeling so strongly in favor of him.