What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[NDGuy]

put on your mask coward and we will tell you when you can crawl out. Im sure it will be easy to find you by the sound of your knees knocking together in fear.

Yes because wanting to help protect my pregnant wife, unborn son, in-laws who have diabetes, dad who has hypertension and high blood pressure, coworkers, and strangers I don't know while getting groceries makes me a coward...

You tough guys sure are something...

 

[BuzzH]

I 100% support peoples rights to wear a mask if they want. I would fight and die for your constitutional right do so. when you dig a hole in the ground and crawl down with your mask on don't drag my rights in with you. put on your mask coward and we will tell you when you can crawl out. Im sure it will be easy to find you by the sound of your knees knocking together in fear....there, execised my constitutional rights and voiced MY opinion

What specific "constitutional right" is being violated by requiring you to wear a mask?

When your "right" to not wear a mask leads to you spreading the virus to others...are those that you spread it to having their rights violated by your rights?

Who's rights, are more important?

 

[jmez]

Facts are always helpful. Unfortunately, we have very little in the way of facts. Now Goldman Sachs is predicting infection rates.

Talked to a nurse today. Had an asymptomatic positive test two weeks ago on a patient. They went through contact tracing with him. They then proceeded to submit all of the contacts as positive tests without contacting or testing any of them. The original positive then was retested after a 14 day quarantine and was negative for antibodies.

You think there are any real numbers out there?

Penn State study and now the CDC suggest early numbers may have been underestimated by 80x. So are we really seeing a huge increase in cases now? Cases could be dropping but because of junk numbers and subsequent "science" it looks like a new surge.

We aren't going to mask the virus away. One of two things will happen. The virus may not become well host adapted to people. If it doesn't it will burn itself out and go away. That may already be occuring with the death rates continuing to drop in the face of increasing infections. If the virus host adapts then it will continue to infect people, masks or not, for the rest of time. We live with it.



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[jmez]

Yes because wanting to help protect my pregnant wife, unborn son, in-laws who have diabetes, dad who has hypertension and high blood pressure, coworkers, and strangers I don't know while getting groceries makes me a coward...

You tough guys sure are something...

Reptile theory.

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[NDGuy]

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Every day I see another business closed.
Just looking at data provided by the state, I can’t see the justification for the economic destruction that has been forced upon this state.
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For Oregon, definitely. Other parts of the country are looking pretty dire though.

Nothing looks good down in Florida or Arizona. They were over 15% positive the last week with increased testing...

And as a whole according to Johns Hopkins, we have near doubled our positive testing rate with far increased testing numbers the last month.

Daily State-by-State Testing Trends

See daily changes in tests performed and positivity rates

coronavirus.jhu.edu

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[Foldem]

I have a bunch of N95s that I throw away after using if I go to the stores yep.

To work I have 5 cloth masks I wash each weekend.

If the masks help reduce you getting the virus or help you not spread to others I don't see an argument for not wearing them other than:

"DAMN GOVMINT CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO"

Do N95's really protect others in the store??? Not if it has a valve on it.

 

[PNW bow hunter]

Every day I see another business closed.
Just looking at data provided by the state, I can’t see the justification for the economic destruction that has been forced upon this state.
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For Oregon, definitely. Other parts of the country are looking pretty dire though.

Nothing looks good down in Florida or Arizona. They were over 15% positive the last week with increased testing...

And as a whole according to Johns Hopkins, we have near doubled our positive testing rate with far increased testing numbers the last month.

Daily State-by-State Testing Trends

See daily changes in tests performed and positivity rates

coronavirus.jhu.edu

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Not sure why you would quote what I posted about the state I live in, and then throw some stats out from a state that is literally as far away from my home state as you can get without leaving the country.

I was specifically talking about data from the state of Oregon, and the misleading information coming from our States Governor and the local tv news/radio stories I see and hear daily. In included the sourcing to back up everything I stated.

I only talked about my state of Oregon, and stated that multiple times.

Our Governor is not using data from Florida to create fear in Oregonians, she is using the daily positive test total numbers from Oregon. She is leaving out the massive increase in daily testing, and the fact that the rate of positive tests as of June 15th is down from March as well as the average age of person infected.

There has been huge economic destruction in my home state. Lots of Portland businesses could just open a week and a half ago, and now they are talking about having to shut it all down again.

Again, I was only showing information for my home state. Actual state provided data, actual quotes from the Governor, and actual local news stories.

I wasn’t providing any opinion on data or government actions in Florida, Texas, China, Canada, or any where else.

 

[NDGuy]

Our Governor is not using data from Florida to create fear in Oregonians, she is using the daily positive test total numbers from Oregon. She is leaving out the massive increase in daily testing, and the fact that the rate of positive tests as of June 15th is down from March as well as the average age of person infected.

No I definitely agree that's frustrating. Seems everyone is cherrypicking stats to suit the narrative for sure.

 

[fatlander]

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[blueyceman]

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Long term lung damage from asymptomatic cases, anyone? Sounds like a fun virus to just 'get over'....not.

 

[Life_Feeds_On_Life]

Every day I see another business closed.
Just looking at data provided by the state, I can’t see the justification for the economic destruction that has been forced upon this state.
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For Oregon, definitely. Other parts of the country are looking pretty dire though.

Nothing looks good down in Florida or Arizona. They were over 15% positive the last week with increased testing...

And as a whole according to Johns Hopkins, we have near doubled our positive testing rate with far increased testing numbers the last month.

Daily State-by-State Testing Trends

See daily changes in tests performed and positivity rates

coronavirus.jhu.edu

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We have had 1,632 total covid deaths in AZ out of a population of 7.2 million. Sure cases are rising but that's really not that alarming.

 

[RyanT26]

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Long term lung damage from asymptomatic cases, anyone? Sounds like a fun virus to just 'get over'....not.

From your own article. Settle down Francis!

“He said this doesn't mean everyone who is asymptomatic will have long term lung effects, but he does say it's something to watch for, as even doctors don't know what effects those could be and for how long you could have them.”

 

[blueyceman]

From your own article. Settle down Francis!

“He said this doesn't mean everyone who is asymptomatic will have long term lung effects, but he does say it's something to watch for, as even doctors don't know what effects those could be and for how long you could have them.”

What is your point? I'm not claiming that all asymptomatic cases will create lung damage, simply that its a possibility. Not everything is binary, don't ya know?

 

[Foldem]

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Long term lung damage from asymptomatic cases, anyone? Sounds like a fun virus to just 'get over'....not.

Articles that quote "New Study" but don't reference the study, or any of the details of the study don't typically worry me. Click bait.

 

[trazerr]

Again, the key word is "could"...

 

[RyanT26]

What is your point? I'm not claiming that all asymptomatic cases will create lung damage, simply that its a possibility. Not everything is binary, don't ya know?

See Foldem’s response. It’s a clickbaity article. Your explanation of it was Clickbait and the typical scare tactics.

“Long term lung damage from asymptomatic cases, anyone? Sounds like a fun virus to just 'get over'....not.“

 

[Foldem]

Honestly, no , not to their guidelines which I believe calls for washing with a bleach solution after every use (which can be more frequent than every day). I am only in a position to wear a mask 3-4 times a week when I go into a grocery/hardware store or food joint and then it is on for maybe 2-5 minutes. Mine sits in the sun in a 130 degree car for hours most days, so I feel ok with that as any exposure my mask gets is minimal and I presume any deficiency in cleaning will affect me and not others. Living on the edge....

Sounds like a common sense approach on your part. I have to wear them every day at work. The majority of the people I've informally polled with this question are not even close to following the guidelines, and people are touching their wet bacteria/virus coated cotton masks frequently then touching common surfaces throughout. Honestly this is one of the biggest problems I have with masks, I think it's a huge false sense of security and potential vector for spreading viruses and infections. I think social distancing is much more effective when possible but I'm not a doctor, just an engineer.

 

[boom]

this forum was so much more fun when it was just about bashing Kuiu (i'm joking), and showing off Kifaru stuff, and hunting.

be well people.

 

[Foldem]

Crap guys, do you just lay in bed all night wondering about all the things that "could" happen to you? Or all the ways you "could" die? That must be miserable!

Most of us will or have had this and there's not much we can do about it if it's really as contagious as the experts say. Move on with your life if you're not in a really high risk demographic. Our over-reaction "could" end our entire way of life in the USA. Look at data and make an opinion, don't put stock in the headlines. They try to sensationalize EVERYTHING not just COVID.

 

[Life_Feeds_On_Life]