What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[aggieland]

A friend of mine has tested positive 38 yr old Male zero symptoms so far.

 

[durangobrad]

A friend of mine has tested positive 38 yr old Male zero symptoms so far.

Why did he get tested?

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[MattB]

At this point, does anyone believe China telling the truth on anything related to Coronavirus?

If I’m not following your logic. If only 150-200 more people are dying in NYC above the average numbers, how do we have such high death counts in NYC? Are some people dying at home and not being counted? Sure sounds plausible. I’m not questioning that. I’m simply stating that there are also just as likely cases of people being on their deathbeds and Coronavirus just being the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I’m saying there is likely some error in the figures in both directions.

It seems like people are willing to accept that the deaths might be under reported, but they’re not willing to consider that they might be over reported in some situations. Why consider one and not the other?

Maybe because one is being reported by the head of the Chair of New York City Council health committee and the other is being suggested by internet posters based largely on hypotheticals which may or may not be based on an erroneous understanding/ interpretation of how the cause of death is determined/reported.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

My wife told me 238 or so tested positive. Ugh. How many did each of those infect? 3? 4? Gonna be a mess.

Yes it is.

 

[aggieland]

Why did he get tested?

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He was sent to work in Houston with another guy not sure how they ended up being tested maybe the other guy got sick. Will have to ask and find out.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

We are getting test results back in 48 hours or less at this point.

My wife tested yesterday morning. Received the results this afternoon from the lab.

 

[Fatcamp]

My wife tested yesterday morning. Received the results this afternoon from the lab.

That's great news. How is she?

 

[WV Mountaineer]

That's great news. How is she?

Came back negative.

 

[Dos Perros]

Came back negative.

Negative...ouch...sorry to hear that. #michaelscott

 

[SgtTanner]

Maybe because one is being reported by the head of the Chair of New York City Council health committee and the other is being suggested by internet posters based largely on hypotheticals which may or may not be based on an erroneous understanding/ interpretation of how the cause of death is determined/reported.

In addition to the story from post 2934 about a newborn dying from COVID, who was born 22 weeks early...

Two more COVID-19 deaths reported in Douglas County, bringing Nebraska's total to eight

One of the victims was a resident of the Douglas County Health Center. The second victim was a woman over the age of 70.

www.omaha.com

We have a Nebraska man who was in his 80s, with several underlying conditions who was already in hospice care.

Both of them were reported as cause of death being COVID. Not being born 22 weeks early, or whatever had the poor guy in hospice care to begin with. Two examples. I would imagine there are more.

I’m not saying deaths are over reported. I’m saying there are data points suggesting so, and also saying there are data points suggesting that some deaths don’t get reported. And that I don’t trust any one data source. But keep on excluding some data and believing everything you read from other data sources. You do you.

 

[Mt Al]

I would imagine there are more.

I would imagine many, many, many more. My education, entire professional carrer and certification (now dropped) all required advanced statistics education, forecasting, data interpretation, root cause analysis. It's all about taking emotions out of the decision making process so you get closer to facts...so that things "work" vs. going off of opinion. Yet I still have my own ideologies and emotions...

The stories of people who died 'with' Covid vs. 'of' Covid, combined with the dark art of medical coding and data gathering leads me to assume, and it's only an assumption, that deaths are over reported. Combine this with the certainty that there are many more people who are positive for Covid that haven't been tested. Other than the one cruise ship, whose occupants average age, income level and physical proximity were way off the norm, we don't know squat.

Imagine the pre-story spinning on all sides after this subsides on the death count. Everyone will write or read or post links to stories that match their ideology. They will trust their sources implicitly because of the ideology match vs. critical thought. I'll do the same.

The zombie movies are all true. We're a world of un-dead who can't think objectively and critically, nor independently. The independent part because people need to find a "news" source that matches their ideology in order to feel like they are informed and have an opinion. Myself included.

 

[jmez]

Goes right along with "Science has no bias, scientists do."

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[SgtTanner]

Goes right along with "Science has no bias, scientists do."

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And science is usually funded by someone or some organization. I wonder if they have biases.

 

[blueyceman]

I would imagine many, many, many more. My education, entire professional carrer and certification (now dropped) all required advanced statistics education, forecasting, data interpretation, root cause analysis. It's all about taking emotions out of the decision making process so you get closer to facts...so that things "work" vs. going off of opinion. Yet I still have my own ideologies and emotions...

The stories of people who died 'with' Covid vs. 'of' Covid, combined with the dark art of medical coding and data gathering leads me to assume, and it's only an assumption, that deaths are over reported. Combine this with the certainty that there are many more people who are positive for Covid that haven't been tested. Other than the one cruise ship, whose occupants average age, income level and physical proximity were way off the norm, we don't know squat.

Imagine the pre-story spinning on all sides after this subsides on the death count. Everyone will write or read or post links to stories that match their ideology. They will trust their sources implicitly because of the ideology match vs. critical thought. I'll do the same.

The zombie movies are all true. We're a world of un-dead who can't think objectively and critically, nor independently. The independent part because people need to find a "news" source that matches their ideology in order to feel like they are informed and have an opinion. Myself included.

Thinking independently, critically and objectively during a world pandemic requires at least some trust in certain institutional experts, doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, etc. People who have studied this type of thing for large parts of their career. I agree that to some degree, there are enough sources out there today that one can simply find 'material' to match their ideology. However, that doesn't mean all sources/ideologies are equal. Some are based on said baseline-level trust in highly credentialed researchers, John Hopkins-types, CDC, WHO, etc. Others put their trust in talk show hosts and conspiracy theorists, and refuse to believe anything accepted widely by the rest of the world. As the complexity and rarity in our time of what is currently unfolding, there is no simple answer and that commonly referred to 'both sides' / 'partisan divide' / 'echo chamber ideology' effect will still be a factor - do you think it will become more or less enhanced due to COVID19?

 

[durangobrad]

Despite warnings, churchgoers explain why they're still going to services - CNN Video

CNN's Gary Tuchman interviews several congregants of an Ohio church about their decision to attend service, despite coronavirus outbreaks.

www.google.com

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[EastMT]

Jan 14 when WHO said it doesn’t spread person to person was complete misinformation. 15 days after the “experts” said its not person to person we shut down China flights, despite outcry of the world and media.

2017 when the current leader put Robert Mugabe up for special WHO envoy? Those guys are questionable at best, infatuated with dictators at worst.

The international leader of health says it’s not transmitting, seems like it mislead a lot of people to not prepare, thinking another SARS episode.

I think WHO leadership needs to be held accountable.

 

[spike camp]

I believe it was China that first stated it was only animal to human transmission at first.
Took a few weeks for the facts to come out.

Everyone wants to blame each other.

 

[durangobrad]

Jan 14 when WHO said it doesn’t spread person to person was complete misinformation. 15 days after the “experts” said its not person to person we shut down China flights, despite outcry of the world and media.

2017 when the current leader put Robert Mugabe up for special WHO envoy? Those guys are questionable at best, infatuated with dictators at worst.

The international leader of health says it’s not transmitting, seems like it mislead a lot of people to not prepare, thinking another SARS episode.

I think WHO leadership needs to be held accountable.

I don't blame the WHO for that. It was China saying that it was only animal to human transmission. The facts were unclear then, and still are now.

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[HuntHarder]

Isn't it the responsibility of the WHO to vet their information they are spreading? After all, the WORLD is literally taking guidance from them.

 

[durangobrad]

Isn't it the responsibility of the WHO to vet their information they are spreading? After all, the WORLD is literally taking guidance from them.

This was their tweet:
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.

Obviously it was bad info, bit it was the only info we had at the time.

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